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Jun 23 2005, 01:48 PM
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Food chain fears may end 'industrial' fishing in North Sea By Charles Clover, Environment Editor (Filed: 09/06/2005) quote: -------------------- Help predict climate change!
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Jun 23 2005, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE Jaffa: :cool: "Climate change is to blame"!!! and they take 750,000,000 tons a year!! Overfishing couldn't have anything to do with it? Of course not, they wouldn't let that happen, would they!!! :mad:Telegraph : Food chain fears may end 'industrial' fishing in North Sea By Charles Clover, Environment Editor (Filed: 09/06/2005) quote: [ 23. June 2005, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Norm B ] -------------------- |
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Jun 23 2005, 02:10 PM
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Norm, 750k is not a big year for the sandeels fishery; sometimes it hit over a million. Still never exceeded natural mortality levels though.
Have you seen ANY evidence that overfishing is the cause in this case? I've looked pretty hard and found nothing to suggest that. Chris -------------------- Help predict climate change!
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Jun 23 2005, 03:16 PM
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jaffa,
I'm playing devils advocate here, but surely you will never find evidence that is not meant to be found...? -------------------- Fishing, what a good idea...
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Jun 23 2005, 06:09 PM
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Well If fishing aint part of the equation why ban it?????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Jun 23 2005, 06:16 PM
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Quite right Summer.
Whilst it might not have exceeded the natural mortality assumed figure, it certainly added a bl**dy great chunk to it. It really makes me laugh to see how these figures are bandied about without one hope in hell of proving them. We can however calculate how much is caught and landed and based on recent court cases we could add a reasonable percentage to that figure for black fish. -------------------- I fish, I catches a few, I lose a few, BUT I enjoys. NFSA PM
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Jun 23 2005, 07:16 PM
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They've also had to close the anchovy fishery in the Bay of Biscay for 3 months.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/fisheries/news_c...inf05_27_en.htm TL - leon -------------------- |
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Jun 23 2005, 07:42 PM
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its easy to close fisheries when there is no profit left in it, like this and the sandeel fishery its already gone bust, no pats on the back from me im afraid, the same will eventually happen with cod when there is non left, all to late and nothing to do with lobbying or global warming me thinks.
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Jun 23 2005, 07:59 PM
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I agree with you on this one Stavey, the main and probably only reason for the decline of the sand eel is going to be over fishing.
If it is proved that the commercial fishing methods have wiped out these fish stocks then the environmentalists would have reason to request a hault on those certain commercial methods, however the industry big-wigs won't let that happen. In respect of this I feel that any other reason that arrises for this decline will have undoubtably come from the spin-doctors within the industry itself so to protect themselves and their methods in the future and go on and exhust other species without the finger being pointed... [ 23. June 2005, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: JeffB ] -------------------- Fishing, what a good idea...
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Jun 23 2005, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE Ken Davison South Wales: Ken, what on earth do recent UK court cases, involving whitefish and pelagic species, both of which are under tight quotas, have to do with the Danish sandeel fishery? Quite right Summer. Whilst it might not have exceeded the natural mortality assumed figure, it certainly added a bl**dy great chunk to it. It really makes me laugh to see how these figures are bandied about without one hope in hell of proving them. We can however calculate how much is caught and landed and based on recent court cases we could add a reasonable percentage to that figure for black fish. What possible motive for black fish landings in that fishery? Leon, Interesting news about the anchovy fishery; any indication if its likely to be environmental, or just overfishing in that case? -------------------- Help predict climate change!
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