There are a couple of 'political' threads running at the moment, and very interresting they are too!

I have been on this planet for a year or two now. What has become very clear is that the comments don't change, only the parties!

I'll pick on Yoxer's comments. No critiscism of Yoxer, just an illustration of my point. Way back in the ides of history the Conservatives were lead by dear old Margaret. I can remember well similar comments as Yoxers, aimed at the Conservatives at that time!

In my opinion, sectors of the Conservative party became corrupt, greed, sleeze and Thatcherism took hold, so out they went.

I can go back to the Wilson governent. We all thought that they were a disaster. Their capitulation to Union demands and their war on the Pirate Radio Stations hardly made them popular. So out they went!

Ted Heath, well, the miners strike, amongst other things, and out he went. Nice man though, he sailed a boat!

Whatever party is in, especially long term, will eventually come into heavy critiscism by those who feel hard done-by, those who have, for whatever reason, not been able to achieve. It isn't the party, it is the 'system'!

As has been said on another thread, no matter what party is in power, it is the same civil service! It is the same 'system'.

Me, I should like to see a coalition! People voted into power, irrespective of their party or social standing, people who can benefit the country as a whole, people with sincerity and integrity. I would like to see people with the conviction to vote for what is right and best, not just for party policies. Feasible, probably not! Desirable? You tell me!

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corruption and greed work . It works for the corrupt and greedy. Is it not better to have a system that works for the few rather than a system that works for none.

We can only dream Peter.

What would happen if nobody voted for anyone the cat would be amongst the pigeons ,but I imagine the money men will still have the power

I,m with yoxer on this one.

Corrupt and greed work.
I am corrupt and greedy, it works for me and I recommend you give it a try.

Trouble with Coalitions is that almost nothing of real importance will get done. We would end up with small minority parties like the Greenies getting what they want (things like banning Angling) in order to give their support to other factions.

Has anyone else noted that most of the moaning on these threads is aimed at benefit seekers (both the asylum type and the work shy)?

Not to many moaning about being hard up or starving or in fear of their lives.....as Peter has described re his daughter, many are quite content with the system.

Students are making a lot of noise at the moment re the top up fees, OAPs are moaning about the council tax and having to pay tax out of pensions, Yoxer moans about everything Chesters wants every politician and councillor (all of them corrupt according to him) chucked out of office and replaced with.....What would you replace them with Chesters? would they be elected (not by you, you do not vote) or would they be appointed by people with whom you agree?


Yoxer suggests that we get up a ladder and do some window cleaning, what if you can't climb ladders? what if some other guy/girl muscles in and undercuts your price?

At nearly 70 years old I think I have seen most aspects of life, a lot of it at very close quarters and it is a fact that we all want the best at the lowest price, I have employed people at the lowest rate of pay, but did give them more when the job/price warranted it, and yes I have seen the YTS kids being ripped off by employers...I was asked to participate in that scheme and refused, but many employers took advantage.

Would many (or should I say any) of us be able to afford cars if they were "Made in England" and the unions had power over wage rates? Cheap phones?? Colour TV's??

Try sorting that one out if you are a politician trying to please everyone.

Yes I think that everyone should get a decent wage and a job to suit their abilities. Good education for free? (not to sure about the Uni side of that argument)


Health service? not to bad as far as I can tell. I get to see a doctor after making an appointment and have no fear of the bill at the end of the visit, but the dentists have broken free of the state system and their bills are frightening. GP's want to do the same I gather, woe betide us ordinary folk if that were to happen, and I have no doubt that the Tory party would give the doctors freedom to opt out.
Back to the dentists for a moment...I have to travel 60 miles back to Bromley where I used to live in order to see a dentist, the local ones simply do not want to know about new patients.

I broke a tooth recently and got absolutely no offer of an appointment from local dentists May they rot in hell I say

I expect there are many people who feel that way about plumbers and their charges, but always remember that once that plumber has been paid and leaves your house then you never give him another thought,...do you care if he is unable to pay his council tax or provide for his future? You want him to work cheap, He want to earn as much as he can, and theirin lies the root of the matter.

We could all vote for Communism


Just imagine...no rich...no poor...end up with not much anything at all.

To many people trying to get to big a slice of the cake, and it will get a lot worse before it starts to get better.

By the way, what is the point of owning a Rolls Royce car??


Den

cos they're quite nice to drive and if you get a white one you can hire it out on the weekend for weddings

Den, nearly seventy!! A young seventy by the sound of it!

Den, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't we win a world war with a coalition?

But I take your point about the greenie threat. Strangely enough my daughter, mother of three, is a 'Green' candidate! She allows her children to eat meat, allows me to take them fishing, even comes along herself sometimes.

When the Berlin wall was coming down and Communism was seen to be failing a friend of mine, one of those long-headed people doing a job that is way beneath their capabilities, said. "They've finally realised that there is no better incentive than plain old-fashioned Greed!"

HE NEVER VOTES!

Most of the complaints stem from the fact that, after 50 years of the 'welfare state', we find that we have to pay again for something that we thought we had allready paid for.

I'll stick my head above the parapet yet again.

The 1930ish generation started work after the war with help from the Marshall Aid funds. They went on strike for more pay for 30 years, devalueing their parents and grandparents savings. They bought foreign goods and holidays, putting their fellows and themselves out of work. Now they expect their children and grandchildren, by paying more taxes, to keep them.
The 'Rich List' is published today and people notice that there are a lot of property people amongst it. Property is only worth more in money terms because the money has been devalued by the very people that complain about the value of property.
People who borrowed money to buy property have mostly done well. People who borrowed money to buy cars..........

The irony is that the people who bought property, now have to sell it to finance their nursing home place, where as the people who bought cars, will get looked after for nothing.

There is a saying in Ireland, 'If you're in debt, you're in danger'. The Irish housewife keeps her man in debt so that he will work his way out of it.
Half-Irish, half-Scottish Tony Blair, seems to think it will work here!

A few years ago, Lord Goodman delivered the Richard Dimbleby lecture on 'Housing, Who Is Too Blame'. After listening to it and wondering what he was getting at, I came to the conclusion that 'we are to blame', for putting up with it.

"Yoxer suggests that we get up a ladder and do some window cleaning, what if you can't climb ladders?

You get some other mug to keep you ? Unfortunately there are too many that either cant and are too reluctant to climb ladders, and it will undoubtably increase until the system collapses.

"what if some other guy/girl muscles in and undercuts your price?"

For those that havnt noticed , its happening now. No products can be manufactured in western economies that can not be manufactured cheaper in the far east . And please dont give me that crap about inferior quality ! The service industries are going the same way.Being in your 70's Poledark I expect you can remember when every street had a corner shop , youll find every employer is going to disapear just as quickly.