Countryside Alliance and FACT in the dock.

[Jaffa]

Leon, have you read that Richard Dawkins essay about our relationship to other apes? Its ciated on extreme animal rights websites and yet when i read it I wondered if if it was not the mine that was going to blow them out of our waters?

[Vagabond]

Dave Lumb:

 

DEFRA, however, chose to count individual letters of complaint and take no account of how many anglers were represented by the submission of the NAA - or any other group.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

 

So, when it suits the politicians and their quangos, they count individual letters.

 

and also, when it suits them, they say they want to deal with "one body representing all anglers" (especially when they know there isn't one)

 

DEFRA'S action shows clearly what we are up against.

 

[ 26. March 2005, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Vagabond ]

[Leon Roskilly]

This one?

 

Gaps in The Mind

 

 

Tight Lines - leon

 

(Bloody memes, they are fighting each other for survival in my head!)

[Jaffa]

Thats the one. Your an information whore and genius

[Sportsman]

I don't think that anyone is suggesting catch and release is a bad thing or that fishing is just about catching fish.

I am lucky enough to live in a beautiful area and most of the fishing I do is in areas of outstanding natural beauty. This is very much part of my fishing experience. Anyone who knows about salmon fishing for instance, knows that there is a lot more fishing than catching.

I found the link that Leon furnished to be interesting and thought provoking, and would not have the temerity to disagree with any of it. Unfortunately I could probably find another, equally profound link that proves the exact opposite. Which one will the antis believe?

I don't mind how individuals enjoy their sport, or which organisation they feel will best serve their interest. I do, however, feel that by denying, even to ourselves, that angling is a form of fieldsport, which contains elements of hunting and which we conduct for our amusement (given that we do not need the catch to eat)is delusional and when we criticise others who enjoy different forms of hunting it has to be seen as hypocritical.

Regards

Dave Olley

[Leon Roskilly]

Sportsman:

Anyone who knows about salmon fishing for instance, knows that there is a lot more fishing than catching.

I'd put it this way:

 

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/leon26.htm

 

 

Tight Lines - leon

[Vagabond]

"Gaps in the Mind" interesting and thought provoking, but consider the implications.

 

Man evolved away from the great apes as a meat-eating hunter and killer. (Yes I know some chimpanzees hunt, kill and eat monkeys, but this behaviour is very limited in scope)

 

Great apes are mainly vegetarian, and exist in tropical climes with fruit available all the year round.

 

By contrast Man would be unable to exist on a vegetarian diet in temperate climates if it were not for the ability to cook starch grains (in various forms) to render them digestible.

 

As Man moved out of the tropical forest onto savannah,and BEFORE he discovered how to use fire, meat became an essential part of his diet.

 

Speech, weaponry, and co-operation in hunting and warfare have evolved out of man's origin as a hunting meat-eating animal.

 

When you go fishing, you are hunting - whatever you do with the fish you catch.

 

[ 26. March 2005, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: Vagabond ]

[Sportsman]

Thanks Leon!

[Paul Boote]

Leon Roskilly:

   

Leon Roskilly:

Anyone who knows about salmon fishing for instance, knows that there is a lot more fishing than catching.

I'd put it this way:

 

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/leon26.htm

 

 

Tight Lines - leon

BIG problem is though, Leon, that a lorra lorra people who still believe that they OWN what WE FEEL (as you clearly do, as I do, what most of us do), by some kinda ancient right, really couldn't care a monkey's... They're still always looking ELSEWHERE, you see -- to Scotland and other 'better' British parts (or, more recently, to Iceland, Russia and southern South America, to ANYWHERE BUT HERE) for confirmation that ... what...? That they still rule the roost.... are somehow, still, notably apart...?

 

Just what it will take to get such types to recognize that they just, might, now, be merely part of the human race (mentally, spiritually, even corporately and financially, and for rather more than just one brief, politically-advantageous, moment) occasionally exercizes my mind greatly... At least, until I realize that I really couldn't give a fook (which, of course, they do do, but definitely not for the same reasons as US...).

 

[ 26. March 2005, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Paul Boote ]

[Jaffa]

Translation?