Article 47

[Leon Roskilly]

I thought I'd gone blind.

 

 

Too much beaver Norm! LOL

 

(Didn't the lads do well )

[Elton]

North East discussion on Article 47, here:

 

http://www.nesa.co.uk/forums/shore-fishing...ticle-47-a.html

[Elton]

There was a bit about it on the local ITV East news tonight, with interviews from people in Lowestoft.

[Leon Roskilly]

See:

 

http://www.saveangling.com/

[glennk]

Theres quite a bit here too :

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/no...tack-again/180/

 

With one quite astounding request from a local MEP Giles Cichester

 

I'd be grateful therefore if you can manage to avoid whipping up a huge anti-EU campaign about this misunderstanding.

 

Of Course Giles, please just give us a few seconds to lay down so you can walk all over us.

[Steve Coppolo]

Theres quite a bit here too :

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/no...tack-again/180/

 

With one quite astounding request from a local MEP Giles Cichester

 

 

 

Of Course Giles, please just give us a few seconds to lay down so you can walk all over us.

 

Looks like he needs voting out at the next election, Glenn.

[Steve Coppolo]

Looking at some of the replies people have had back from various MEP's, it seems that they have ignored the fact that sea anglers fish from boats, too. The impression I get, is that they think it's all going to be alright because the wording of the articel suggests the restrictions won't apply to beach anglers.

 

We are all in this together, beach and boat anglers alike. Remember, there are hundreds of charter skippers whose businesses depend on this EU rubbish being chucked out.

 

****s to the EU! Just say, NON.

[glennk]

Looks like he needs voting out at the next election, Glenn.

 

 

Ive forwarded the response to the local UKIP MEP. UKIP are loving this one. They even put an advert in the local paper about it.

[barry luxton]

Ive forwarded the response to the local UKIP MEP. UKIP are loving this one. They even put an advert in the local paper about it.

 

 

This is from ukip's policy statement and is the section of their understanding what is wrong and the fix. Is there an election in the offing by any chance. The bit about landing all and conviscating all the undersized, made me smile, i can just imagine in the dead of night, somewhere out on the high seas the seagulls waking up for a feed. Sounds good but somehow i don't think those in power in brussels will want to relinquish power that easily.

 

1. The Problem – UK Fishing Today

1.1 Since joining the then Common Market 30 years ago, the British fishing fleet

has been reduced to less than half its former size and is still in decline. British fishing

grounds have been overfished in some areas and for some species almost to the

point of collapse.2

1.2 Membership of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is an unmitigated disaster

ecologically, socially and industrially (Owen Patterson, Conservative MP) The

CFP is unsustainable, untenable, stifling, destructive and indefensible.

1.3 Fishing at sea is a total EU ‘competence’. Under the terms of the Accession

Treaty, the UK handed over control of fisheries in our waters to the then EEC to be

shared by other (and future) member states ‘equally and without discrimination’.1

1.4 Brussels now has control of how and when we fish and how much fish we can

catch. The UK provides the EU with 70% of its fishing but we are allowed only

13% by value of the quota species catch.3 This 13% equates to about 20% of the

total catch in British waters and is still worth £500 million a year, which means that

we are giving away to EU interests about £2 billion a year in fish, plus the value

added costs of boat-building and repair, fish processing, employment and ancillary

services, in total about £2.5 billion.4

1.5 Our fishermen, over the years, have had to cope with a quota system arbitrarily

imposed by Brussels in the name of conservation. By EU Diktat, all fish caught

above quota or undersized have to be dumped back into the sea, dead. The EU’s

own estimate is that 40% of all fish caught is dumped as ‘discards’, which could be

as much as two million tons of perfectly edible fish being thrown over the side

every year.

1.6 This discard policy contravenes the UN Convention on Law of the Sea

(UNCLOS) with regard to dumping.5

1.7 Every year, after rounds of political ‘horse-trading’ between the 27 member

states of the EU, most quotas are reduced and we have now reached the stage when

some fishermen, particularly those who operate ‘under 10-metre’boats, just cannot

make a living

1.8 On top of all this, the EU has allowed mainly Danish interests to take a million

tons of sand eels and pout from the North Sea using ‘industrial’ fishing methods.

This particular fishery has been overfished to the point where the Danes have been

unable to fill their quota for many years and last year took only about 300,000 tons.

Sand eels are the basic food source for cod and certain seabirds, which explains the

dramatic decline in the North Sea cod fishery and the virtual abandonment of many

Scottish seabird colonies.

 

 

Fishing Policy 3

2. UKIP’s Vision – Executive Summary

The UK Independence Party advocates a policy of :

 Restoring British waters and fishing to national control by leaving the

European Union Common Fisheries Policy

 Abandoning all quotas and strictly forbidding ‘discards’

 In co-operation with scientists and working fishermen, introducing technical

measures and net design to be more selective, allowing immature fish and nontargeted

species to escape

 Requiring all commercial species fish caught, regardless of size or species, to

be landed and recorded in order to compile meaningful figures to establish a

Maximum Sustainable Yield (MSY) and to plan accordingly

 Establishing Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) for all commercial species and

ensuring that only fish above the MLS are offered for sale. All undersized fish

to be confiscated and processed into either fish meal or fertiliser, proceeds from

the sale of which will go towards administrative costs

 Establishing a system of moveable ‘No Take Zones’ seasonally to allow fish

to spawn, or in areas considered to be overfished to allow recovery

 Banning all forms of ‘industrial’ fishing and pair trawling for bass. Restricting

beam trawling to areas considered suitable by working fishermen and scientists

 Licensing foreign fishing boats with a proven record of fishing in the UK’s

Exclusive Economic Zone to continue for a transition period of, say, five years,

provided they observe British rules. Licences would not be offered to foreign

boats in receipt of EU subsidy and foreign boats would not be licensed to fish

in UK territorial waters (12-mile limit). After the transition period, licences

would only be issued to foreign boats if fish stocks exceeded of British boats’

catch capability in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

 Building artificial reefs

 Encouraging profitable mariculture (fish farms), particularly encouraging

shellfish farm ventures in suitable inshore waters

 Establishing a Fisheries College and a Crew Training school and conducting

properly structured training programmes

 Taking advice from Norway and Iceland to establish a Fishing Ministry to

overseeing a Fishing Management Agency and co-ordinating the activities of

the existing Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs), who would become the ‘front

line’ of sustainable management of our fish stocks

 Strengthening the fishery protection service and providing adequate Naval

ships to effect distant water patrols (minesweepers in a dual role).

Fishing Policy

[cleeclive]

This is from ukip's policy statement and is the section of their understanding what is wrong and the fix. Is there an election in the offing by any chance. The bit about landing all and conviscating all the undersized, made me smile, i can just imagine in the dead of night, somewhere out on the high seas the seagulls waking up for a feed. Sounds good but somehow i don't think those in power in brussels will want to relinquish power that easily.

 

1. The Problem – UK Fishing Today

1.1 Since joining the then Common Market 30 years ago, the British fishing fleet

has been reduced to less than half its former size and is still in decline. British fishing

grounds have been overfished in some areas and for some species almost to the

point of collapse.2

1.2 Membership of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is an unmitigated disaster

ecologically, socially and industrially (Owen Patterson, Conservative MP) The

CFP is unsustainable, untenable, stifling, destructive and indefensible.

1.3 Fishing at sea is a total EU ‘competence’. Under the terms of the Accession

Treaty, the UK handed over control of fisheries in our waters to the then EEC to be

shared by other (and future) member states ‘equally and without discrimination’.1

1.4 Brussels now has control of how and when we fish and how much fish we can

catch. The UK provides the EU with 70% of its fishing but we are allowed only

13% by value of the quota species catch.3 This 13% equates to about 20% of the

total catch in British waters and is still worth £500 million a year, which means that

we are giving away to EU interests about £2 billion a year in fish, plus the value

added costs of boat-building and repair, fish processing, employment and ancillary

services, in total about £2.5 billion.4

1.5 Our fishermen, over the years, have had to cope with a quota system arbitrarily

imposed by Brussels in the name of conservation. By EU Diktat, all fish caught

above quota or undersized have to be dumped back into the sea, dead. The EU’s

own estimate is that 40% of all fish caught is dumped as ‘discards’, which could be

as much as two million tons of perfectly edible fish being thrown over the side

every year.

1.6 This discard policy contravenes the UN Convention on Law of the Sea

(UNCLOS) with regard to dumping.5

1.7 Every year, after rounds of political ‘horse-trading’ between the 27 member

states of the EU, most quotas are reduced and we have now reached the stage when

some fishermen, particularly those who operate ‘under 10-metre’boats, just cannot

make a living

1.8 On top of all this, the EU has allowed mainly Danish interests to take a million

tons of sand eels and pout from the North Sea using ‘industrial’ fishing methods.

This particular fishery has been overfished to the point where the Danes have been

unable to fill their quota for many years and last year took only about 300,000 tons.

Sand eels are the basic food source for cod and certain seabirds, which explains the

dramatic decline in the North Sea cod fishery and the virtual abandonment of many

Scottish seabird colonies.

 

 

Fishing Policy 3

2. UKIP’s Vision – Executive Summary

The UK Independence Party advocates a policy of :

 Restoring British waters and fishing to national control by leaving the

European Union Common Fisheries Policy

 Abandoning all quotas and strictly forbidding ‘discards’

 In co-operation with scientists and working fishermen, introducing technical

measures and net design to be more selective, allowing immature fish and nontargeted

species to escape

 Requiring all commercial species fish caught, regardless of size or species, to

be landed and recorded in order to compile meaningful figures to establish a

Maximum Sustainable Yield (MSY) and to plan accordingly

 Establishing Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) for all commercial species and

ensuring that only fish above the MLS are offered for sale. All undersized fish

to be confiscated and processed into either fish meal or fertiliser, proceeds from

the sale of which will go towards administrative costs

 Establishing a system of moveable ‘No Take Zones’ seasonally to allow fish

to spawn, or in areas considered to be overfished to allow recovery

 Banning all forms of ‘industrial’ fishing and pair trawling for bass. Restricting

beam trawling to areas considered suitable by working fishermen and scientists

 Licensing foreign fishing boats with a proven record of fishing in the UK’s

Exclusive Economic Zone to continue for a transition period of, say, five years,

provided they observe British rules. Licences would not be offered to foreign

boats in receipt of EU subsidy and foreign boats would not be licensed to fish

in UK territorial waters (12-mile limit). After the transition period, licences

would only be issued to foreign boats if fish stocks exceeded of British boats’

catch capability in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

 Building artificial reefs

 Encouraging profitable mariculture (fish farms), particularly encouraging

shellfish farm ventures in suitable inshore waters

 Establishing a Fisheries College and a Crew Training school and conducting

properly structured training programmes

 Taking advice from Norway and Iceland to establish a Fishing Ministry to

overseeing a Fishing Management Agency and co-ordinating the activities of

the existing Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs), who would become the ‘front

line’ of sustainable management of our fish stocks

 Strengthening the fishery protection service and providing adequate Naval

ships to effect distant water patrols (minesweepers in a dual role).

Fishing Policy

 

 

This UKIP response is spot on and very well thought out and the way things should go, but regrettably a £500000000 industry is only the size of the British Mushroom, potato industry or a car plant, so in the scale of things we are not going to leave the EU on those grounds. However Norway and Iceland had natural resources with a much greater national economic impact per head of population to worry about when they decided to stay independant.

 

personally I would come out of this daft EU tomorrow but it is a much bigger picture that needs to be looked at.

 

Cleeclive