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#11 Leon Roskilly

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 09:11 PM

I thought I'd gone blind.



Too much beaver Norm! LOL

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 04:54 PM

North East discussion on Article 47, here:

http://www.nesa.co.u...ticle-47-a.html

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 11:04 PM

There was a bit about it on the local ITV East news tonight, with interviews from people in Lowestoft.

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 03:33 PM

See:

http://www.saveangling.com/

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 09:02 PM

Theres quite a bit here too :

http://www.whitbysea...tack-again/180/

With one quite astounding request from a local MEP Giles Cichester

I'd be grateful therefore if you can manage to avoid whipping up a huge anti-EU campaign about this misunderstanding.


Of Course Giles, please just give us a few seconds to lay down so you can walk all over us.

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 09:28 PM

Theres quite a bit here too :

http://www.whitbysea...tack-again/180/

With one quite astounding request from a local MEP Giles Cichester



Of Course Giles, please just give us a few seconds to lay down so you can walk all over us.


Looks like he needs voting out at the next election, Glenn.
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Posted 31 January 2009 - 09:38 PM

Looking at some of the replies people have had back from various MEP's, it seems that they have ignored the fact that sea anglers fish from boats, too. The impression I get, is that they think it's all going to be alright because the wording of the articel suggests the restrictions won't apply to beach anglers.

We are all in this together, beach and boat anglers alike. Remember, there are hundreds of charter skippers whose businesses depend on this EU rubbish being chucked out.

****s to the EU! Just say, NON.
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Posted 31 January 2009 - 10:32 PM

Looks like he needs voting out at the next election, Glenn.



Ive forwarded the response to the local UKIP MEP. UKIP are loving this one. They even put an advert in the local paper about it.

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 07:15 AM

Ive forwarded the response to the local UKIP MEP. UKIP are loving this one. They even put an advert in the local paper about it.



This is from ukip's policy statement and is the section of their understanding what is wrong and the fix. Is there an election in the offing by any chance. The bit about landing all and conviscating all the undersized, made me smile, i can just imagine in the dead of night, somewhere out on the high seas the seagulls waking up for a feed. B) Sounds good but somehow i don't think those in power in brussels will want to relinquish power that easily.

1. The Problem – UK Fishing Today
1.1 Since joining the then Common Market 30 years ago, the British fishing fleet
has been reduced to less than half its former size and is still in decline. British fishing
grounds have been overfished in some areas and for some species almost to the
point of collapse.2
1.2 Membership of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is an unmitigated disaster
ecologically, socially and industrially (Owen Patterson, Conservative MP) The
CFP is unsustainable, untenable, stifling, destructive and indefensible.
1.3 Fishing at sea is a total EU ‘competence’. Under the terms of the Accession
Treaty, the UK handed over control of fisheries in our waters to the then EEC to be
shared by other (and future) member states ‘equally and without discrimination’.1
1.4 Brussels now has control of how and when we fish and how much fish we can
catch. The UK provides the EU with 70% of its fishing but we are allowed only
13% by value of the quota species catch.3 This 13% equates to about 20% of the
total catch in British waters and is still worth £500 million a year, which means that
we are giving away to EU interests about £2 billion a year in fish, plus the value
added costs of boat-building and repair, fish processing, employment and ancillary
services, in total about £2.5 billion.4
1.5 Our fishermen, over the years, have had to cope with a quota system arbitrarily
imposed by Brussels in the name of conservation. By EU Diktat, all fish caught
above quota or undersized have to be dumped back into the sea, dead. The EU’s
own estimate is that 40% of all fish caught is dumped as ‘discards’, which could be
as much as two million tons of perfectly edible fish being thrown over the side
every year.
1.6 This discard policy contravenes the UN Convention on Law of the Sea
(UNCLOS) with regard to dumping.5
1.7 Every year, after rounds of political ‘horse-trading’ between the 27 member
states of the EU, most quotas are reduced and we have now reached the stage when
some fishermen, particularly those who operate ‘under 10-metre’boats, just cannot
make a living
1.8 On top of all this, the EU has allowed mainly Danish interests to take a million
tons of sand eels and pout from the North Sea using ‘industrial’ fishing methods.
This particular fishery has been overfished to the point where the Danes have been
unable to fill their quota for many years and last year took only about 300,000 tons.
Sand eels are the basic food source for cod and certain seabirds, which explains the
dramatic decline in the North Sea cod fishery and the virtual abandonment of many
Scottish seabird colonies.


Fishing Policy 3
2. UKIP’s Vision – Executive Summary
The UK Independence Party advocates a policy of :
 Restoring British waters and fishing to national control by leaving the
European Union Common Fisheries Policy
 Abandoning all quotas and strictly forbidding ‘discards’
 In co-operation with scientists and working fishermen, introducing technical
measures and net design to be more selective, allowing immature fish and nontargeted
species to escape
 Requiring all commercial species fish caught, regardless of size or species, to
be landed and recorded in order to compile meaningful figures to establish a
Maximum Sustainable Yield (MSY) and to plan accordingly
 Establishing Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) for all commercial species and
ensuring that only fish above the MLS are offered for sale. All undersized fish
to be confiscated and processed into either fish meal or fertiliser, proceeds from
the sale of which will go towards administrative costs
 Establishing a system of moveable ‘No Take Zones’ seasonally to allow fish
to spawn, or in areas considered to be overfished to allow recovery
 Banning all forms of ‘industrial’ fishing and pair trawling for bass. Restricting
beam trawling to areas considered suitable by working fishermen and scientists
 Licensing foreign fishing boats with a proven record of fishing in the UK’s
Exclusive Economic Zone to continue for a transition period of, say, five years,
provided they observe British rules. Licences would not be offered to foreign
boats in receipt of EU subsidy and foreign boats would not be licensed to fish
in UK territorial waters (12-mile limit). After the transition period, licences
would only be issued to foreign boats if fish stocks exceeded of British boats’
catch capability in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
 Building artificial reefs
 Encouraging profitable mariculture (fish farms), particularly encouraging
shellfish farm ventures in suitable inshore waters
 Establishing a Fisheries College and a Crew Training school and conducting
properly structured training programmes
 Taking advice from Norway and Iceland to establish a Fishing Ministry to
overseeing a Fishing Management Agency and co-ordinating the activities of
the existing Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs), who would become the ‘front
line’ of sustainable management of our fish stocks
 Strengthening the fishery protection service and providing adequate Naval
ships to effect distant water patrols (minesweepers in a dual role).
Fishing Policy

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 01 February 2009 - 09:23 AM

This is from ukip's policy statement and is the section of their understanding what is wrong and the fix. Is there an election in the offing by any chance. The bit about landing all and conviscating all the undersized, made me smile, i can just imagine in the dead of night, somewhere out on the high seas the seagulls waking up for a feed. B) Sounds good but somehow i don't think those in power in brussels will want to relinquish power that easily.

1. The Problem – UK Fishing Today
1.1 Since joining the then Common Market 30 years ago, the British fishing fleet
has been reduced to less than half its former size and is still in decline. British fishing
grounds have been overfished in some areas and for some species almost to the
point of collapse.2
1.2 Membership of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is an unmitigated disaster
ecologically, socially and industrially (Owen Patterson, Conservative MP) The
CFP is unsustainable, untenable, stifling, destructive and indefensible.
1.3 Fishing at sea is a total EU ‘competence’. Under the terms of the Accession
Treaty, the UK handed over control of fisheries in our waters to the then EEC to be
shared by other (and future) member states ‘equally and without discrimination’.1
1.4 Brussels now has control of how and when we fish and how much fish we can
catch. The UK provides the EU with 70% of its fishing but we are allowed only
13% by value of the quota species catch.3 This 13% equates to about 20% of the
total catch in British waters and is still worth £500 million a year, which means that
we are giving away to EU interests about £2 billion a year in fish, plus the value
added costs of boat-building and repair, fish processing, employment and ancillary
services, in total about £2.5 billion.4
1.5 Our fishermen, over the years, have had to cope with a quota system arbitrarily
imposed by Brussels in the name of conservation. By EU Diktat, all fish caught
above quota or undersized have to be dumped back into the sea, dead. The EU’s
own estimate is that 40% of all fish caught is dumped as ‘discards’, which could be
as much as two million tons of perfectly edible fish being thrown over the side
every year.
1.6 This discard policy contravenes the UN Convention on Law of the Sea
(UNCLOS) with regard to dumping.5
1.7 Every year, after rounds of political ‘horse-trading’ between the 27 member
states of the EU, most quotas are reduced and we have now reached the stage when
some fishermen, particularly those who operate ‘under 10-metre’boats, just cannot
make a living
1.8 On top of all this, the EU has allowed mainly Danish interests to take a million
tons of sand eels and pout from the North Sea using ‘industrial’ fishing methods.
This particular fishery has been overfished to the point where the Danes have been
unable to fill their quota for many years and last year took only about 300,000 tons.
Sand eels are the basic food source for cod and certain seabirds, which explains the
dramatic decline in the North Sea cod fishery and the virtual abandonment of many
Scottish seabird colonies.


Fishing Policy 3
2. UKIP’s Vision – Executive Summary
The UK Independence Party advocates a policy of :
 Restoring British waters and fishing to national control by leaving the
European Union Common Fisheries Policy
 Abandoning all quotas and strictly forbidding ‘discards’
 In co-operation with scientists and working fishermen, introducing technical
measures and net design to be more selective, allowing immature fish and nontargeted
species to escape
 Requiring all commercial species fish caught, regardless of size or species, to
be landed and recorded in order to compile meaningful figures to establish a
Maximum Sustainable Yield (MSY) and to plan accordingly
 Establishing Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) for all commercial species and
ensuring that only fish above the MLS are offered for sale. All undersized fish
to be confiscated and processed into either fish meal or fertiliser, proceeds from
the sale of which will go towards administrative costs
 Establishing a system of moveable ‘No Take Zones’ seasonally to allow fish
to spawn, or in areas considered to be overfished to allow recovery
 Banning all forms of ‘industrial’ fishing and pair trawling for bass. Restricting
beam trawling to areas considered suitable by working fishermen and scientists
 Licensing foreign fishing boats with a proven record of fishing in the UK’s
Exclusive Economic Zone to continue for a transition period of, say, five years,
provided they observe British rules. Licences would not be offered to foreign
boats in receipt of EU subsidy and foreign boats would not be licensed to fish
in UK territorial waters (12-mile limit). After the transition period, licences
would only be issued to foreign boats if fish stocks exceeded of British boats’
catch capability in accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
 Building artificial reefs
 Encouraging profitable mariculture (fish farms), particularly encouraging
shellfish farm ventures in suitable inshore waters
 Establishing a Fisheries College and a Crew Training school and conducting
properly structured training programmes
 Taking advice from Norway and Iceland to establish a Fishing Ministry to
overseeing a Fishing Management Agency and co-ordinating the activities of
the existing Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs), who would become the ‘front
line’ of sustainable management of our fish stocks
 Strengthening the fishery protection service and providing adequate Naval
ships to effect distant water patrols (minesweepers in a dual role).
Fishing Policy



This UKIP response is spot on and very well thought out and the way things should go, but regrettably a £500000000 industry is only the size of the British Mushroom, potato industry or a car plant, so in the scale of things we are not going to leave the EU on those grounds. However Norway and Iceland had natural resources with a much greater national economic impact per head of population to worry about when they decided to stay independant.

personally I would come out of this daft EU tomorrow but it is a much bigger picture that needs to be looked at.

Cleeclive