double hook rigs ( part 2)

[Guest Eddie]

Originally posted by Gaffer:

Naaah, just a difference of opinion mate!

 

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[Guest Ian Cresswell]

Originally posted by Gaffer:

Carp anglers have done more for fish care and safety than all other styles of fishing put together.

 

Sorry Gaffer ... I can't agree with that.

 

Ian.

[Guest Gaffer]

Hi Ian, things like safety leads, safety clips, unhooking mats, Klinic, etc, were all pioneered by Carp anglers and manufactured by Carp tackle manufacturers.

 

None of these had a place in angling before specialist anglers (mainly Carp anglers) brought these ideas (via manufacturers) to the shelf of your everyday tackle shop.

It was also the specialist magazines and bodies (mainly Carp, again) that showed us how to look after our much loved quarry.

 

 

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[Guest Steve Burke]

Whilst I can see what Gaffer is driving at, I think his assertion that "carp anglers have done more ... than all other styles of fishing put together" goes a bit too far.

 

Unhooking mats, I seem to remember, were first used by pike anglers rather than carpers, possibly before Gaffer even started fishing! Swan shot link legers (i.e. an early safety lead) were popularised by Fred J. Taylor & Peter Stone in the 50s for chubbing etc, but invented hundreds of years earlier. Micromesh nets and modern barbless hooks were developed by the match angler, to name just a few safety advances from them.

 

Nevertheless, I am prepared to accept that the carp angler has had the greatest impact, but not more than all the other branches of the sport put together. In particular I believe that the caring attitudes of carp anglers have now permeated to all the other types of coarse angler. This is possibly because of the much higher monetary value of big carp compared with other species, plus the fact that carp tackle is the largest section of the market.

 

The only reason I've commented myself is to disagree with Gaffer's broad assertion. But does it really matter who's responsible? The most important thing is that the vast majority of coarse anglers do care for their catch!

 

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[This message has been edited by Steve Burke (edited 01 January 2002).]

[Guest Gaffer]

Originally posted by Steve Burke:

Whilst I can see what Gaffer is driving at, I think his assertion that "carp anglers have done more ... than all other styles of fishing put together" goes a bit too far.

 

Steve, that's probably what Ian was also getting at.

Ok, ok, I agree that my statement was a little too broad and accept that your statement.......

 

Originally posted by Steve Burke:

Nevertheless, I am prepared to accept that the carp angler has had the greatest impact, but not more than all the other branches of the sport put together.

......is little( ) more accurate.

 

Originally posted by Steve Burke:

Unhooking mats, I seem to remember, were first used by pike anglers rather than carpers, possibly before Gaffer even started fishing!

 

Nearly, but not quite, I recently spoke to a now friend who actually invented/manufactured/marketed the unhooking mat, and later on, the superior bean-bag (polysterene) type of unhooking mat.

He's a carp angler with fish care at the top of his agenda.

 

The origional point that I was trying to make was in respect to Eddie's comments regarding carp anglers 'of late'.

IMO there isn't a 'conflict of ideas', just that carp anglers 'of late' are more fish care/safety concious than ever before and therefore question methods that may not have been questioned before.

 

The safety leads and clips that I was refering to are modern and were designed for heavy leads associated with fishing for Carp.

 

Anyway I'm splitting hairs now, I just wanted to clear up what I was harpin' on about. Appologies to anyone who thought I was having a pop!

 

HNY!

 

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[Guest Steve Burke]

Gaffer. I accept that a carp angler

designed the first commercially made unhooking mat, but pike anglers may have been using bits of foam carpet underlay before then - I can't remember just how far back this was. At my age, the memory begins to fade, so apologies if I'm wrong! Knowing carp anglers they were probably using something similar at the same time anyway.

 

Whatever, no offence taken and none intended by me either.

 

 

 

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[Guest Leigh R]

One of the good points that has struck me about carp anglers is the fact that they continue to question themselves. For example lets look at safety clips. I have read many times that safety clips need to be modified so that the user can be sure of its safety. Another example is the questioning on the safety of using lead core leaders.

 

I am sure that all aspects of angling wish to be sure of the safety of their quarry and do question them self's, but it does appear that the carping fraternity question very diligently there own safety recommendations.

 

It would seam to me that with the growing number of commercial carp fisheries and more people reading articles about carp care, the care of fish in general will improve, at least I hope.

 

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Leigh

[Guest Chris Shaw]

Hmmm, two hook rigs for catching fish other than pike.

 

It has been done for species other than pike by anglers on and off for years.

 

This is the bottom line on two hook rigs, you either agree or disagree.

 

It is not an illegal practice to fish in this country with a two hook setup.

 

That is the bottom line.

 

It only becomes not allowed so to speak if a club or water owner places it in their/his rules for the water.

 

 

 

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The reel handles spun in unison as they played on.

[Guest Bretty]

Stoneacres i love that place!!!!

 

Sorry guys i haven't been paying attention:

 

Are we talking about 2 hooks on the same hook length or 2 hooklengths with seperate hooks? like (sea fishing) paternoster stylie?

 

I can understand hooking 2 bream at once as they don't really fight (okay maybe one of those 14lbers would) but 2 carp would destroy your rig right?! Be like a 3 way tug of war.

 

Have i got this wrong?

 

Bretty