Should long shanked curved hooks be banned ?

[Gaffer]

Chris, I was only using your examples to the extreme to emphasise a point, not to belittle you mate, sorry if it came across that way.

[chris monkey]

np (no problem) ... I know you care as much as I do about our Carp Fishing ...

 

It would be nice if some of the members .. who are good anglers .. and experienced put across a point of view ...

 

does apathy live here? ...

[barblesss]

What to ban?

The Braid and 2.5 oz+ leads combo. is extremely damaging in my opinion. Heavy leads take any skill out of fishing anyway..whats the point? Does a 3 ounze lead cast further than a 2 ounze lead? I woudn't know. When playing the fish with a 3 ounze lead dangling down, it does alot of damage.

As for hooks...complicated.. In commercial fisheries with many beginners it *has to be* barbless. The amount of snapped up fish swimming round with leads on them, and the result of some dieing.

Barbless hooks just fall out on all but tight lines.

For Syndicates and Clubs where experienced anglers are present, you could argue Barbed hooks only...I accept the barbless can cause more damage argument...they do slip more.

[chris monkey]

Hi Barbless ... thanks for the reply ....

 

braid can be damaging ... I agree on this one ...

 

I dont agree on heavy leads taking the skill out of fishing .... how? ... What has happened to finding the fish? .. bait placement ? ...

 

A bit of leading would not go amiss sometimes and as for plumming (not of the expensive variety) .. if anglers bothered a bit more maybe they might catch a few more carp.

 

U only find that people use heaver leads is to get further out ... beyond the pressure syndrome ... If they can cast that far ... (most can't) It really is in my view about technique ... More technique .. less power ...

Ayone know of any good sites re: distance casting?

 

I am in a mixture between barbless and barbed hooks with a bit of education I think probably barbed is the way to go .... I have seen so many fish F****ed up with the use of barbless hooks ... with a bit of 'Education' barbed hooks can be removed quite easily ... but that is my own opinion ....

 

but ... what do u think of long shanked curved hooks .. Have u used them?

[barblesss]

Hi Chris,

No, have never used these 'long shanked curved hooks'. Sounds like another gimmick to me...when it comes to hooks all I look for is wide gape, straight forward patterns. T6 for carp/snags around, drennan specialist/specimen for other quarry.

Anyway I saw the Fox Series 5 mentioned here, so I took a look in the catalogue. My immediate reaction was 'what an ungainly looking piece of ####.' Surely with such a small Gape this hook must do the opposite of what it's advertising.

Obviously I can't say wether this hook does damage having never used it, but I can guess that curvey shank could rip a fished mouth up on a long fight, if hooked deeply, especially with that eye bent round like that.

Nasty looking contraption, and more to the point is it 'necessary' when such a risk is involved.

Greed and money rearing it's ugly head again, me thinks.

[chris monkey]

Thanks or your input Barbless ... All feedback is good ...

 

Is it all about money? ... do we pay for our rigs at the Carp's expense? ...

 

or do we make up your own rigs regardless of the consequences?

 

[ 26 June 2002, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: chris monkey ]

[Gaffer]

Hi all,

 

barblesss:

What to ban?

The Braid and 2.5 oz+ leads combo. is extremely damaging in my opinion. Heavy leads take any skill out of fishing anyway..whats the point? Does a 3 ounze lead cast further than a 2 ounze lead? I woudn't know. When playing the fish with a 3 ounze lead dangling down, it does alot of damage.

Braid and 2.5 pz leads damaging, how?....and how on earth can heavier leads take the skill out of angling?....and what damage?

 

barblesss:

Barbless hooks just fall out on all but tight lines.

But a beginner wouldn't know exactly how much pressure to keep on a barbless hook and would perhaps pull a little too hard!?

 

barblesss:

Greed and money rearing it's ugly head again, me thinks.

LOL! What a load of toffee!

[OP-JB]

chris monkey:

OK ... What are your thoughts ... I have seen some nasty damage to carp from their use ...

 

   

 

Any comments?

Chris,

 

I haven't used the Fox #5. There is no need to change from a system I feel confident with. Other anglers may feel they can obtain an edge here and use them, the hooks are not illegal and it is their choice. If you have seen 'nasty damage' as a direct result of these hooks then you need to talk on a bigger stage than this, it is your duty.

 

You have my opinion.

 

Op -JB

[Simon Newbould]

ok... I was going to keep out of this one as it can be pretty contentious... I've used the series 5's pretty extensively and I must say I'm very impressed with them.. I can honestly say that I've never had a problem with them damaging the fish...

 

Simon

[Chris Shaw]

I too was going to keep away from this, but feel one important factor is being left out.

 

People these days are buying powerful rods and then teaming them up with what I feel is over heavy line. I have seen this combination in use and the people using it are the hauling brigade, the fish do not stand a chance. The fish are not played to the net, they are hauled/bullied to the net. Now think about where the hook damage can come from. Braided mainline makes this even worse.

 

Now for the maths.

 

Rods designed for fishing at 100 plus yards being used on small waters.

 

Unforgiving mainline, heavy breaking strain, braided mainline, any non stretch mainline.

 

Put those combinations together and you have hook damage to the mouth of the fish.

 

I have seen hit and hold tactics being used on open water carp fishing, then the fish just hauled to the net.

 

The above will cause mouth/hook damage no matter what type of hook you are using.

 

It also causes cutting at the sides of the mouth, this I also have seen.

 

Rods and line should be scaled to the type of fishing that you are doing, years ago people owned different rods for different types of fishing. I used to own a pair of long distance rods, and a pair of softer actions rods for margin to medium fishing. These days people are buying so called distance rods and are told they can also be used for close to medium fishing ( I think they call them an all round rod ) CRAP. You can I suppose use them as all round rods, but people are now seeing the damage caused by these powerful setups being used in the wrong situations.