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#11 Eddie

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 01:23 AM

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i thought echo was a dolphin   :confused:

No its an attempt by "English" fish breeders to jump on the Carp gravy train!
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Posted 13 June 2002 - 01:56 AM

cheese sauce with carp not gravy :D

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Eddie:
No its an attempt by "English" fish breeders to jump on the Carp gravy train![/QB]

Interesting verdict, Eddie. Can you expand in this, please? I know that those behind ECHO are not involved in commercial fish breeding, so how did you reach your conclusion?

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 12:53 PM

Beat me to it Terry..

Fishers Pond and other 'native' fast growing strains were up and running and being farmed, well before E.C.H.O.'s first hang over.

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 01:30 PM

It's fair to say that ECHO do have close ties with both RMC and sparsholt college (both of whome are involved in carp aquaculture). I don't for a minute believe though that ECHO was set up for anything other than the reasons stated and it just makes sense for people involved in carp production to be involved in the group. I am not really a great fan of ECHO (at the moment) but I do believe they are doing their bit for the right reasons.

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 06:01 PM

Whilst totally agreeing with, and hoping they succeed with, ECHO`s aim of banning all illegal imports I can see no reason apart from commercial to try to ban all legal imports as well. English bred carp fetch a high price now if all imports are stopped the price will go through the roof. Who will gain from that?
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Posted 13 June 2002 - 06:51 PM

Eddie:
Whilst totally agreeing with, and hoping they succeed with, ECHO`s aim of banning all illegal imports I can see no reason apart from commercial to try to ban all legal imports as well. English bred carp fetch a high price now if all imports are stopped the price will go through the roof. Who will gain from that?

True, but then should a legally imported Carp of around 60lb be cosidered a British record if it went on to 63lb for example?....just a thought.

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 07:15 PM

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Gaffer:
Whilst totally agreeing with, and hoping they succeed with, ECHO`s aim of banning all illegal imports I can see no reason apart from commercial to try to ban all legal imports as well. English bred carp fetch a high price now if all imports are stopped the price will go through the roof. Who will gain from that?

True, but then should a legally imported Carp of around 60lb be cosidered a British record if it went on to 63lb for example?....just a thought.

If you were to take some English carp spawn and selectively hand rear the resulting fry in tanks then in heated indoor pools until it weighed 63lbs and then stocked it would it be cosidered a British record when it was caught? And if not why not? The record is for the largest of the species "fairly caught on rod and line" in this country.
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Posted 13 June 2002 - 08:03 PM

We went along this path with trout and the conclusion was reached the if the fish had spent 2/3rds of it's life in the wild, then it was a wild fish and could be considered for the wild trout record crown. They didn't get it right here either. Wild trout are fish that have been born in the wild. They chickened out in order to flatter people and justify their existence.

""True, but then should a legally imported Carp of around 60lb be cosidered a British record if it went on to 63lb for example?....just a thought.""

I know of young, very big fish on French fish farms that could eclipse the British record. Their import could be arranged and passed by cefas. What would be the point when the fish would be berated and the owner ridiculed? May I refer you to the Benson thread earlier in the year, when a poster critisized the fish, it's owner and people who fish for it without giving any proof of the allegations. Big Carp mean big money to the fishery owner and can sometimes mean financial stability or otherwise, strange to see people wealding power of influence...with no proof, just whisper and rumour. I wonder if the grapevine influences which carp, when and where and if they are accceptable, Gaffer, and as Hitler noticed in his cafe days, people listen to those with the biggest mouth!!!!

Just a thought

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Posted 13 June 2002 - 08:05 PM

[quote] Eddie:
[quote]If you were to take some English carp spawn and selectively hand rear the resulting fry in tanks then in heated indoor pools until it weighed 63lbs and then stocked it would it be cosidered a British record when it was caught? And if not why not? The record is for the largest of the species "fairly caught on rod and line" in this country.[/quote]True again, but then it wouldn't have been stocked into that particular water between C1 and C4. Therefore it couldn't be considered a true British fish by the general definition that I gave, surely?

(I'm not splitting hairs, honest! )