UK Bass Stocks Are Collapsing

[Ian Burrett]

they're hauling tonnes of shark species (mainly tope and smoothhounds) from the English Channel right now for making various fish by-products like fish meal, oils and of course 'pot bait'.

 

Hi HA

 

Who is? And where are they landing them?

[thedogs]

We clearly have not seen the qualities needed for fisheries management from Defra, SFCs, the real commercial sector bosses and least of all any overview, leadership and competence from a Defra minister. (Wasn't Jonathan Shaw in Social Services before he was an MP?)

 

I'm afraid Sam, there is always going to be conflict between those who make money from a natural but limited resource and those who wish to preserve and conserve it.

 

What madness is the commercial sector going to think of next .... they're hauling tonnes of shark species (mainly tope and smoothhounds) from the English Channel right now for making various fish by-products like fish meal, oils and of course 'pot bait'.

 

I'd quite like to know if your dad echoes the sentiments you have expressed above, Sam?

 

 

Hello HA.

 

As I have pointed out many, many times I’m a 35-year-old man with my own opinions.

You offend me yet again Adrian by bringing my family into a discussion.

My farther and I have had different lives that have shaped different views. We agree on a hell of a lot of matters the main one being that DEFRA is useless. However we disagree on other points of argument like all commercial fishermen are arse holes.

As for your claims regarding shark species, as far as I know a 5% by catch is allowed.

 

PS How does it feel having the same name as Rockies wife?

[steve good]

Regards to the inshore bass stocks,

 

Can you demonstrate what the likes of these angling organisations are proposing to do to make the fishing worse, more importantly the decline of the bass stocks. Then you can demonstrate the conservative policy from the nffo's perspective. The only one i know is their refusal to take the ones that have had a chance to breed, as otherwise they would have to discard them after catching them accidently. Bigger mesh size perhaps, did they miss that one?

 

What was the bad bits within the bass management plan, please. Where did that go wrong.

 

 

Hi Barry

 

QUOTE/ Bigger mesh size perhaps, did they miss that one?

 

 

By bigger mesh size are you refering to the cod end mesh size of trawls, if so DEFRA have no power to increase this size it has to be done by the EU

 

Steve

Edited May 28, 2008 by steve good

[H.A.]

I didn't think I'd lower myself, but since it's you Sam, I will

 

As I have pointed out many, many times I’m a 35-year-old man with my own opinions.

You offend me yet again Adrian by bringing my family into a discussion.

 

I have the utmost respect for your father.

Didn't he input some of the stuff for the Bass Management Plan?

Hardly irrelevant?

 

PS How does it feel having the same name as Rockies wife?

Silly! Then spelling never was your strong point, eh? Are you really 35?

 

Incidentally, since you have such a memory for famous people; brush up on your history while you're at it!

 

David Berkowitz was jailed for 365 years in 1977.

 

[snakey1]

Actually David Berkowitz was sentenced on June the 12th 1978

[barry luxton]

Hi Barry

 

QUOTE/ Bigger mesh size perhaps, did they miss that one?

By bigger mesh size are you refering to the cod end mesh size of trawls, if so DEFRA have no power to increase this size it has to be done by the EU

 

Steve

 

Even within the inshore fishery Steve, if so that means that defra are really irrelevant in any event.

[thedogs]

The only problem I had with the BMP was that it was on a looser before it started. This is because like any management plan it depended on all the aspects of the plan being implemented to have a good effect.

Simply implementing a mls of 45 or even 55cm would only mean more 45 or 55cm bass being caught by commercial fishermen.

To increase the size of mesh used to make mono gill nets would have done a similar thing as what ever mesh size is chosen more fish of a size to fit that mesh would be caught.

The BMP would have worked well if it had of been implemented as a whole.

 

The best and only way to my mind is a cap on effort coupled with a slot size based scheme.

 

As for evidence of what bodies like BASS, SACN and the ruddy NFSA have done that could do to damage my sea angling you just have to look at the sea angling strategy written into the marine bill. That was Richard Fare’s brainchild as he was happy to explain to me in a private e-mail. It was this same strategy that was suggesting a rsa license and restrictions on hook sizes used by anglers. Why do we need to be restricted? Well I will tell you DEFRA must love it being able to tell the commercial lobbyists that sea angling bodies would except bag limits, closed seasons and no take zones coupled with no bait in nursery areas.

 

Some of the people who help influence government decisions sea anglers hardly ever go fishing and know next to nothing about the sport.

 

All this I find very wrong and quite frightening.

[Ken Davison South Wales]

Hi Sam,

 

I can see your still in fine fettle mate

 

Well I will tell you DEFRA must love it being able to tell the commercial lobbyists that sea angling bodies would except bag limits, closed seasons and no take zones coupled with no bait in nursery areas

 

Whilst the above may seem like pure poison coupled with the sever restrictions on commercial activities it could be an anti-venom.

 

To the best of my knowledge none of the above were offered without numerous conditions being applied to the commercial sector.

 

And take the license as a single issue, had one come into play at least you could have said stuff it mate it aint worth a toss let alone £25 and I believe that is the major reason why it was dropped. they are a pack of crafty barstewards remember.

[H.A.]

Some of the people who help influence government decisions sea anglers hardly ever go fishing and know next to nothing about the sport.

 

I think I understand that.

 

Some of the people who influence fisheries/marine statutes and Orders are Ministers of the Crown and can't tell a ragworm from a lugworm and don't give a she*te about those who can.

 

Most of the people who talk to government about sea angling would not be doing so if they did not care passionately about angling in all its forms and are reasonably competent in one or more of its disciplines.

 

You Sir, make lots of noise with a limited vocabulary, negotiate on a worthless platform and achieve sweet fanny adams.

 

God bless all who sail with you.

 

[Sharkbyte]

Most of the people who talk to government about sea angling would not be doing so if they did not care passionately about angling in all its forms and are reasonably competent in one or more of its disciplines.

 

Get real HA.

 

Having read a number of submissions, emanating from the usual sources, they exhibit a complete lack of understanding about the sport. This can only stem from an extremely narrow field of experience from which to draw on. 'Plastic anglers' like to dish out textbook advice. Unfortunately for them, their plagiarism cannot extend to catch reports.

 

Lets face it, they have been winging it for far too long.

 

If I may? I have amended your propaganda for any future cut'n'paste opportunities.

 

A number of the people who talk to Government about sea angling would not be doing so if they did not care passionately about their (albeit limited) angling and more usually, their political aspirations. Mounting evidence indicates, complete incompetence when interfering in the affairs of most RSA disciplines.