North Sea Quotas running out

[barry luxton]

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"The impact of sea angling on fish stocks and on the wider marine enviroment has not been accurately assessed. There is circumstantial evidence however, that for some species the impact of recrational sea angling may be similar to commercial fishing. This pilot would make a valuable contribution to the evidence base needed to inform management decisions on the need for conservation measures such as bag limits ."

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Hi Peter

 

Looks like DEFRA may have taken note of what I have been saying in my letteres to them

 

steve

 

 

Oh Hi Steve, perhaps you can shed some light on the circumstantial evidence of the impact of anglers on the stock with regards to removal, disgard, waste. What part of it matches the commercial sector or is it just percieved? What study and data collection is that? Links to your letters, would that shed some light on it?

 

Your not refering to the one you had published in the commercial paper the other week is it?

[Guest challenge]

Never thought Id say this but in reality planet wurzel is planet Earth. It may take some time for a lot of you to realise (It has me) but what Wurzel says more often than not becomes reality and the man's predictions about DEFRA are bang on, his only failure is to highlight the role of our so called angling reps in all of this ? Right up the rear end of DEFRA - infact spoon feeding them a lot of the information required to bring sea angling to its knees. A lot of what is said here has already happened, the over 10 meter fleet has fallen into the hands of the few (Fat Cats). The fleet and the processing has been monopolised and because of this its become easier to manage. They are part way to doing the same with the under 10's, once thats done the whole industry will be run by a handful of individuals who are easy to watch. So who will DEFRA be managing ? yes its the sea angler. Bait digging restrictions, a sea angling licence (OH YES THAT WILL BE BACK), Bag Limits, areas where you can not even enter (Dont be fooled into thinking you will be able to fish in the MPA's - YOU WONT, as weve already found out up here at Flamborough). Anyone who thinks wurzel is talking out of his back end - just check back in 5 years time and see where we are.

 

As for sea anglers catching and releasing cod or any other species for that matter, its beginning to sound like Planet HA. Do us all a favour and Screw your head on before its too late, remember their is a whole lot of anglers around the UK and what happens where you are is thankfully not the case everywhere.

good post

My god, I do believe that the penny has finally dropped. Well better late than never.

I kept a full record of catches aboard chieftain for the four years I was there. Can pass them on if anybody wants them.

Big cod would have to be booked to 2040 to catch anywhere near the same. I also believe that the penny dropped on that along time ago too.

Sore you and the dog after crabs the other day when we came in

Regards.

[H.A.]

Never thought Id say this but in reality planet wurzel is planet Earth. It may take some time for a lot of you to realise (It has me) but what Wurzel says more often than not becomes reality and the man's predictions about DEFRA are bang on, his only failure is to highlight the role of our so called angling reps in all of this ? Right up the rear end of DEFRA - infact spoon feeding them a lot of the information required to bring sea angling to its knees. A lot of what is said here has already happened, the over 10 meter fleet has fallen into the hands of the few (Fat Cats). The fleet and the processing has been monopolised and because of this its become easier to manage. They are part way to doing the same with the under 10's, once thats done the whole industry will be run by a handful of individuals who are easy to watch.

 

what Wurzel says more often than not becomes reality and the man's predictions about DEFRA are bang on, .... sounds like 'Never-wrong-Ron' .

The stupidity of the comment is that I'm totally in agreement with the sentiments above regarding the demise of the commercial fleet. Fuel prices will just speed up the inevitable.

 

... his only failure is to highlight the role of our so called angling reps in all of this

I think you've got your knickers twisted, Glenn!

 

So who will DEFRA be managing ? yes its the sea angler. Bait digging restrictions, a sea angling licence (OH YES THAT WILL BE BACK), Bag Limits, areas where you can not even enter (Dont be fooled into thinking you will be able to fish in the MPA's - YOU WONT, as weve already found out up here at Flamborough). Anyone who thinks wurzel is talking out of his back end - just check back in 5 years time and see where we are.

 

Ah, that old chestnut basket! Funny how 'hybrids' always throw that one up.

 

Commercials and tail-wagging hybrids are on a different plane (not to mention planet), whenever regulations are mentioned, simply because their minds revolve around next week's wages (whatever the cost in subsequent years!). You really need to visit countries which are 10 or 20 years down the road of proper management of fisheries.

 

I'm still always baffled why we have such an keen interest on an angling forum from those whose aims are quite different from RSAs. Why show such concern either for anglers' rights or the effectiveness of their campaigns. Most commercially-biased chappies think anglers have no organisation, no rights and no say in marine/fisheries management. So why get all het-up over things which you believe will never happen ? If we're such an incompetent, bungling bunch of negotiators, with zero clout, why take any notice of us?

 

Chill out!

[wurzel]

Glenn a tail wagging hybrid!!!!!??? O dear trouble ahead.

[wurzel]

Not half as much as the letter(e)s I've been sending them (and several thousand others!) viz:

- Defra

 

Re: FISHING:

The Net Benefits report gives the likely outcome for the catching sector based on different scenarios that shows that at best, only limited growth would be possible, maybe as much as £650 million given extremely favourable conditions and acceptance by the industry of severe cuts and retrenchment.

 

What should be emphasised, though, is that the figures show that the value of the RSA sector is huge, and of great social and economic importance, increasing the quality of life of it’s millions of participants and providing livelihoods and business opportunities, often in coastal communities, and that it is capable of producing considerable additional growth if management policies are adopted to increase the quality of the angling experience.

 

And this growth potential is far bigger than any estimate of its current value.

 

Now, how much taxpayer’s money is used to support the catching sector in the way of costs for administration, science, grants, enforcement etc., compared to how much is returned by the catching sector into the public purse?

 

Shouldn't we then consider how much is paid into the public purse by the Recreational Sea Angling Sector (VAT approaching £100million!) and compare how much public money is used to support the RSA sector? Is there any?

 

 

 

The inshore fleet doesn't need growth, I can't speak for the rest of the country but in this (South East) area the inshore fleet has reduced to a good workable level naturally, mainly through the economics of the job, the stocks locally are in very good shape and increasing year on year, anglers catches are as good as ever they have been and have plenty of scope for RSA growth along side a well managed in shore fleet with out annihilating it.

[H.A.]

anglers catches are as good as ever they have been and have plenty of scope for RSA growth along side a well managed in shore fleet with out annihilating it.

 

You're addressing the wrong people on here, Wurz.

Speak to Defra, SFC, new Under 10s Fed .....

 

I and others on this angling forum can't do anything to help or hinder your cause.

 

Honest!

 

[glennk]

Glenn a tail wagging hybrid!!!!!??? O dear trouble ahead.

 

There's none so blind as those who can not see Peter.

 

You really need to visit countries which are 10 or 20 years down the road of proper management of fisheries.

 

Nah, you really need to visit the North East mate.

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/no...summer-match/0/

 

 

 

 

 

 

We will even help you out with rigs if you dont know what your doing.

Edited May 19, 2008 by glennk

[H.A.]

Good Lord! There's some ugly brutes there!!!!

 

Would you like to see pictures of my fish?

 

Nah?

Me neither!

 

I bet some of those there are ones I've put back!

Different mind set, I'm afraid.

 

[glennk]

I was beginning to wonder if you ever went fishing HA ? I read this site a lot and your main contributions seem to be arguments with Wurzel, Ive seen little evidence that you partake in our great sport. I gues it Takes all sorts to make a world HA. One thing to note - Whilst we are respectful of your right to return fish you appear disrespectful of our right to retain them as is made clear in your comments, and whilst that continues we will fight any proposals that damage our free right to fish and keep fish, tooth and nail. Someone really needs to come up with some ideas to bridge that gap because as far as I can see there's a lot of people a world apart on this issue, and whilst thats the case DEFRA will walk all over the lot of us - just as the already are doing.

 

Regards - Glenn

Edited May 19, 2008 by glennk

[H.A.]

I was beginning to wonder if you ever went fishing HA ?

Ive seen little evidence that you partake in our great sport.

I gues it Takes all sorts to make a world HA.

 

You poor misled young man!

It really isn't necessary to 'show off fish' in the way you seem to; nonetheless, here's one for you from Hants -

 

 

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone, mee boy!