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#21 Dales

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:52 PM

Farming carp for food is a huge business in mainland Europe, and there is now a Soil Association approved organic carp farm in Devon.

I don't see why carp farmed for the table should be more expensive than trout - they don't need as good water quality, and they don't need such high quality protein food.


Yes, I would have thought they would be the ideal species for intensive fish farming. When you consider the volume in some small commercial Carp fisheries and the fast growth rates.

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#22 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:54 PM

Farming carp for food is a huge business in mainland Europe, and there is now a Soil Association approved organic carp farm in Devon.

I don't see why carp farmed for the table should be more expensive than trout - they don't need as good water quality, and they don't need such high quality protein food.



True.The way it is is simply because it isn't done on the same commercial scale as trout are or indeed carp are abroad. If you doubt me just check around a few fish farm sites and see.

Its much the opposite in Europe and for exactly the same reasons! Cant give carp away in France for example some years! but farmed trout are relatively expensive.Good old market forces at work.
And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 05:48 PM

True, all a matter of scale.

Mind you, I think the relative overheads for trout farming would be a fair bit higher if they were more accountable for the effect of their discharges on river water quality and the environmental impact of the production of trout pellets!

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 12:37 PM

I agree i know a polish angler who said to me that for them fishing is about catching a carp and cooking it on the bankside on the barbie. Here he said it is not allowed so he does not fish here. i think its is more than a free meal its what fishing is all about for them. maybe a put and take carp lake might work!!
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 12:56 PM

I agree i know a polish angler who said to me that for them fishing is about catching a carp and cooking it on the bankside on the barbie. Here he said it is not allowed so he does not fish here. i think its is more than a free meal its what fishing is all about for them. maybe a put and take carp lake might work!!


As Budgie points out though, would they be prepared to pay 5-10 a pound for the fish though, perhaps more ? That's the sort of price range we're looking at for stocked carp. So catch yourself a 3 or 4lb carp and your bill is 40 - suddenly the appeal is I suspect very much less.

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 01:12 PM

Lots of people willing to pay 25 a day to catch and kill muddy rainbow trout, though.

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 01:25 PM

Lots of people willing to pay 25 a day to catch and kill muddy rainbow trout, though.


Very true, there's no accounting for taste - I'd rather just eat the mud :yucky: ;)

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 01:36 PM

Could you imagine if they did open one though? I can see it now..........Hundreds of bivvies (Greenham Common Peace Camp style) set up around the perimeter fence,Midnight vigils held outside of the gates (US capital punishment style) Hundreds of (slightly drunk on Stella) Realtree camo clad aficionados swaying side to side with their Fox Bivvy lights held up at arms length singing "Abide with me"! The mass sharp intake of breath as the sound of the first God fish being cracked on the nut! Then finally almost Pope like stood looking up into the sky for the wafting up of the smoke from the barbie....................
And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 01:40 PM

Could you imagine if they did open one though? I can see it now..........Hundreds of bivvies (Greenham Common Peace Camp style) set up around the perimeter fence,Midnight vigils held outside of the gates (US capital punishment style) Hundreds of (slightly drunk on Stella) Realtree camo clad aficionados swaying side to side with their Fox Bivvy lights held up at arms length singing "Abide with me"! The mass sharp intake of breath as the sound of the first God fish being cracked on the nut! Then finally almost Pope like stood looking up into the sky for the wafting up of the smoke from the barbie....................


I don't know about the fishing part, but I'd definitely pay to see that Budgie. :D

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 07:49 AM

Could you imagine if they did open one though? I can see it now..........Hundreds of bivvies (Greenham Common Peace Camp style) set up around the perimeter fence,Midnight vigils held outside of the gates (US capital punishment style) Hundreds of (slightly drunk on Stella) Realtree camo clad aficionados swaying side to side with their Fox Bivvy lights held up at arms length singing "Abide with me"! The mass sharp intake of breath as the sound of the first God fish being cracked on the nut! Then finally almost Pope like stood looking up into the sky for the wafting up of the smoke from the barbie....................


I'd see it more like a picket line during the height of the miners strike. Cross the line and you're forever a scab, never welcome at the fishing shop or angling club again.

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