The CA and Angling.

[Jim Roper]

Peter Waller:

But for ordinary, right thinking people, such as Martin Salter M.P., and tens of thousands of every day folk, fox hunting is barbaric, the attitudes that surround it, repulsive.

This thread is heading in such a direction that angling's dirty washing could soon be aired in public.

People who live in glass houses....

 

Newt and Nightwing must be pulling their hair out.

 

Jim Roper

 

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[Cranfield]

Remember, that as easy as it is to use emotive arguments against hunting with hounds, it is just as easy to use emotive arguments against angling (if you are so motivated).

 

In discussing the Lake District ban on livebaiting with some non-fishing friends, they were "uncomfortable" in varying degrees with using live fish as bait.

What was also interesting ,is that they didn,t realise this was an "accepted" way to fish.

 

Anglers may not want to be "dragged down to the level of fox hunters", but I believe with very little effort from a well experienced propaganda machinery, we are already there.

[DMCA]

I agree with what Cranfield has said, in that I have experienced time and time again that non-anglers (who are after all in the great majority throughout the country) seem untroubled (often curious, sometimes just disinterested) when they hear you are an angler, until the mention of livebait, when usually they first react as if they must have misheard you, then when they realise they haven't, they tend to start looking a bit funny at you as if you have just said that you thought slavery was actually quite a good idea.

 

Of course the fact that some people who don't really know anything about it might not like the idea much is no reason to stop doing something, but at the same time we should be careful about taking some high moral stance in public, especially in very general and emotive terms, for danger of shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

The quotation from Martin Salter could easily be replied to along these lines:

 

"I know of no fisherman that having caught a prized speciman fish would then tear it to pieces, even though that fish may have been caught by taking a non-prized, non-specimen fish, sticking a hook or two in it, tossing it out, and leaving it tethered for several hours before being fatally injured in the jaws of the intended quarry"

 

(or something like that)

 

similarly

 

"we do not see fish as pests, er..except zander and in some cases pike, and of course other animals such as cormorants and even maybe tufted ducks if they interfere with our sport"

 

I suppose what we would like is to be able to characterise all fox hunters as at best obnoxious, at worst slavering, bloodthirsty sadists revelling in the suffering of the fox, while anglers are all staunch environmentalists who wish no harm to the fish and in fact go out of their way to ensure that its welfare comes first, even at the expense of not catching as much. But try answering without getting in a tangle when some non-angler asks you what that big soft mat is for and er...why are you keeping those little fish in a bucket?

 

Are hunters really all nasty and evil? Seems unlikely, but I don't know. I've never met any. Personally, I don't much like the sound of fox hunting, though I know nothing about it in practice, and I don't see what it has to do with fishing (except that it's done outdoors and animals are involved). As far as I'm concerned golf is closer to fishing: at least you can do that on your own. So I'm with Peter when I see no reason to link fishing wiht hunting. My concern though is that in disassociating ourselves we don't set anglers up as some sort of whiter than white straw man. Angling, or at least elements of it, can be portrayed as cruel. If we believe angling is really under threat then we can't just pretend that's not the case and hope no-one notices.

 

Time to shut-up now.

[Jim Roper]

Well said, Cranfield and DCMA.

 

Jim Roper

[Peter Waller]

However you look at this matter and however you read this thread, there is no question that the CA is doing immense damage to angling by creating a rift between us. We do not need this rift, we do not need the CA.

[Jim Roper]

Peter Waller:

However you look at this matter and however you read this thread, there is no question that the CA is doing immense damage to angling by creating a rift between us. We do not need this rift, we do not need the CA.

Quite right! Anglers do not need the CA to create rifts in their ranks. They are very good at doing that themselves.

 

Jim Roper

 

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[Peter Waller]

Quite right says our Jim, and highlights my statement that we don't need the CA. Agreement atlast, hooray!! Nice one Jim

 

Without the CA that would be one less subject for angling to disagree on.

[Peter Waller]

Jim Roper:

Jim Roper:

But for ordinary, right thinking people, such as Martin Salter M.P., and tens of thousands of every day folk, fox hunting is barbaric, the attitudes that surround it, repulsive.

This thread is heading in such a direction that angling's dirty washing could soon be aired in public.

People who live in glass houses....

 

Newt and Nightwing must be pulling their hair out.

 

Jim Roper

 

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And if the CA hadn't tried to hijack angling then this thread wouldn't be running. I think it a fair assumption that the majority of UK anglers probably don't want the CA to be involved in Angling. The CA involvement was uninvited and is largely unwelcome.

[Jim Roper]

quote:

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Originally posted by Peter Waller:

[QB]Quite right says our Jim, and highlights my statement that we don't need the CA. Agreement atlast, hooray!! Nice one Jim[QB]

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Full marks for inuendo. Will you be a candidate at the next general election?

 

Read it again Sam!

 

Jim Roper

[Jim Roper]

Peter Waller:

And if the CA hadn't tried to hijack angling then this thread wouldn't be running.

Now who started this thread that could easily turn into an exercise in self-destruction of the arguement that fishing is not cruel?

 

Caught any pike with live-bait lately?

 

Jim Roper

 

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