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#1 Chris Plumb

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:30 AM

Today on the BBC site...

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-25505612

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 11:03 AM

And more: http://www.iucnredli...details/60344/0

 

 

Is it about time the likes of the NAC and the trust put their heads above the parapet and show guts and leadership in setting an example, for all. The trust are very good in siding by conservation orgs to protect habitats and fish species, yet when it comes to the eel, it appears not enough is being done.

 

A total cessation of targeting this fish is required as the only way forward. Both orgs are in a position to do this. Forget about C&R , we have been told in the past, every single one counts. Forget about using specialist hooks as even they have their flaws. No, the only way unless the scientists can come up with an answer with regards to what is causing the depletion, is for a total angling ban. Every one of the 2%  remaining stock is important. Don't fish for them and don't send any more back dead as is what is happening now. Circle hooks and 'j' hooks are not the answer. Fishing for them in estuaries and in the salt water rivers, many are hooked deep as the eel is a voracious feeder. Don't send them back with hooks buried deep as other fish, birds, even the ones washed ashore can be a danger to someone's beloved pet dog. Don't let it continue.

 

Ices are claiming that the eel will be declining for two more decades.


Edited by barry luxton, 29 December 2013 - 11:05 AM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 11:14 AM

 Leon has this to say about deep hooking and when the specialist hooks fail, and they do:

 

Leon Roskilly It's a game of odds. Many fish injured/killed by deep-hooking with J hooks, versus the odd fish where the circle doesn't work as it should. Choice is then to take the fish home for dinner, or to allow nature to encapsulate it (probably). Advice with eels that have vital organs high in the throat that will most likely be fatally damaged by poking about with a disgorger, pliers etc, is to leave the hook in and cut the line as short as possible. Hopefully the fish will survive. (Talking to a vet specialising in fish that has performed many post-mortems on fish taken from hook and line fisheries, it's doubtful that a hook will dissolve internally, or dislodge. Normally the would heals over and the hook becomes encapsulated in tissue). I doubt it makes much difference wwhether it's a J hook or a circle left in there. Yesterday at 09:09

 

Advice from the trust and legislation now in place means that you cannot take the dead and dying eel home. Hooks deeply embedded should not be left in place before sending the eel back.

 

This study is very interesting: http://www.fishing.s...vssnelling.html

 

quote: Longlines were used to avoid any angler bias due to the different abilities and fishing styles of different fishers. 

 

Lip hooked is a fish caught in the mouth which can be released

  • Gut hooked is a fish which has swallowed the hook and is highly unlikely to survive release
 
 

Edited by barry luxton, 29 December 2013 - 04:26 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:41 PM

All,

Odd that I'm even compelled to comment (?). I haven't caught half a dozen eels in my lifetime. However in all my fishing I have NEVER even considered taking an injured wild fish to a Vet. Just for fun and my own curiosity I searched google. In a 400 mile range:

""""Jackass Bend Unit (US Fish and Wildlife has one specialist (maybe?). You can reach this unit by driving on Highway 210 six miles east of Missouri City or four miles west of Orrick. Turn south onto Union Road. Follow this road across the railroad tracks about one mile south of the parking area just beyond the levee. The road passes through private property."""" About 2 hr. drive mostly dirt and gravel.

I have no idea if eel have the acid required to dissolve a fish hook. But this is another chance for me to remind everyone that "fancy" non-ferrous hooks with kill darn near any species. USE ferrous hooks!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 05:03 PM

Yet more hook problems to consider phone, unless you use the likes of 'kamasan' for example the hook does not have a lot of strength, so if rotting is a consideration, kamasan takes a while longer. Even in salt water a 'kamasan' can be used time and again and it also retains it's sharpness.  For circle hooks the gauge compared with conventional is of a thicker gauge in any event, longer to rot out if rotting is a consideration. No, I favour leon's vet analysis, that the hook will be encapsulated and the fish will die as in the hook study confirmation as well. Over time I have seen stainless and plated, coated  hooks rot.

 

Been looking at the American eel as well, the counts are down, stop eating them mate. :D

 

I think leon was on about autopsy, not making them better phone. :lol:


Edited by barry luxton, 29 December 2013 - 05:06 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 06:42 PM

should the u k be following the Scottish lead example, :clap3: : http://www.scotland....onal/17380/eels

 

didn't agree with the last two lines though, it wants a serious re think.: However, eels frequently swallow hooks and in these cases there is no option but to cut the line, as short as possible, before release.


Edited by barry luxton, 29 December 2013 - 06:50 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 07:50 PM

I suspect that there is some eel paranoia here, reading this article on the research and a few things fall into place. Global climate change, changing currents in the atlantic and less eels getting back to europe, panicking scientists and environmentalists trying to fight nature and save the planet!

 

Have we not seen this with bee populations and stories of doom and gloom and then 2013, a long hot summer and there are more bees than we can imagine, nature sorting the job out again!

 

I have seen NESFC trying to manage the cockle populations at Horseshoe point in Lincolnshire for years, a total waste of time and money because every time we get a prolonged easterly storm the beds are washed out, and then every 7 years or so we have a massive spat fall from a non-existent stock and the balance of nature is restored again.

 

There is this massive industry of scientists and environmentalists out there spending our taxes on fighting nature, kidding us that they know what they are doing and they don't.

 

Don't worry, one day the ocean currents will change and there will be a massive year class of glass eels return and we will all be happy again despite all your debates on hooks, sainsburys selling jellied eels and those terrible commercial eel fishermen destroying the last of the stocks.

Nature will sort it all out for us in the end!



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:23 PM

I have absolutely no doubt about that. In the mean time, while we are waiting it would be good if those who preach, start practising. :thumbs:


 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..