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#1 barry luxton

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:14 AM

This is what the trust recons: http://www.anglingtr...=29&itemid=1640

 

yet the minister today offers and unreserved apology to the guys living in amongst all that water,  that all got it wrong. 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26106290

 

quote:

"We perhaps relied too much on the Environment Agency's advice.

"I think we recognise now that we should have dredged and I think it's important now that we get on with the process of getting people back into their houses, and really do some serious pumping."

He added: "I apologise unreservedly and I'm really sorry that we took the advice, we thought we were dealing with experts."


Edited by barry luxton, 09 February 2014 - 11:17 AM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:38 PM

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" we thought we were dealing with experts."

 

You were !! Listen to them and stop trying to keep voters happy. In the grand scheme of things there a less then 200 people affected there. according to the BBC


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:07 PM

ohh right, think mr salter can go down there and sort them out then?

 

 

Of course the one thing that has not happened since the 90's was dredging. According to the interviewer they have been  doing that since medieval times.  appears to be a shame to also loose so many thatched houses and farms in the area when something can clearly be done. No doubt the guys in Holland are also looking at this rather bemused, still at least it ain't the trusts headquarters at risk.


 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:12 PM

according to ukip: http://www.sheptonma...y.html#comments

 

"We need a public inquiry about how we are managing the rivers in this country as we are clearly not getting it right.
 

 

Experts?

 

 There may well be a few more than 200 affected, there is no longer a rail line to the south west.
 


Edited by barry luxton, 09 February 2014 - 01:19 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:13 AM

Nice try in your anti Angling Trust vendetta, Barry, but it doesn't wash.

 

See for instance this follow up news story on the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26113889.

 

I suggest you read the whole article but here's a quote from it: 

 

"A spokesman for the water engineers' professional body CIWEM said Mr Pickles was talking "absolute tosh".

CIWEM said the Environment Agency had a statutory responsibility to protect life before property and property before farmland - this was not Lord Smith's choice.

 

The spokesman said the real problem was that the government had failed to back the agency's spending plans to combat the effects of climate change, and had left the agency short of half a billion pounds for its long-term flood plans.

 

Richard Ashley, professor of water management at Sheffield University, said Mr Pickles' comments were "ignorant and out of order".

"It absolutely beggars belief," he told BBC News. "He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.""

 

This is purely the government trying to shift blame and buy votes.  It's trying to find a scapegoat, and the head of the EA has had his head put in a noose.

 

The problem hasn't been caused by this Coalition administration though.  The bad decisions go back many years and cover both Labour and Conservative governments.

 

Here's a link to an easy to understand presentation as to why dredging will make little difference: http://www.bidfordon...redgingpres.pdf

 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:49 AM

Many thanks for the e a information you have provided, is this what  the minister was questioning yesterday or not? He made the point that 'we should have dredged'. What about those on the thames flood plain today, many towns, there certainly appears a need to get this water away as quickly as possible as opposed to storing it where?

 

Take a brave angling trust or e a guy to pop up there and tell them that dredging don't work, I think.

 

 

Re climate change, bit of pot luck really, if the wind was in the east as opposed to the west it would have been snow as opposed to all this rain, then it would have been all stored in ice cubes to slowly melt, am I bonkers?


Edited by barry luxton, 10 February 2014 - 10:52 AM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:18 AM

Richard Ashley, professor of water management at Sheffield University, said Mr Pickles' comments were "ignorant and out of order".

"It absolutely beggars belief," he told BBC News. "He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about.""

 

 

You left out the best bit: He said, "Mr Pickles would be more use as a sandbag"  :clap: :lol:



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:13 PM

excuse me mr ayjay, isn't the above post in the wrong topic? :bigemo_harabe_net-163:


 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 05:22 PM

didn't need dredging according to the errrm experts, mr salter is one of them: http://www.itv.com/n...somerset-river/

 

and the trust are still saying the same today, even with what the river has dredged up. Bet these guys ain't welcome down somerset.

 

Martin Salter, National Campaigns Coordinator at the Angling Trust, who helped commission the report, said: “Rivers establish flood plains for a purpose and we abuse them at our peril. Dredging is no silver bullet but proper catchment management can make a difference. The government also needs to toughen up rather than weaken planning protection for vulnerable floodplains. It's both and ridiculous worrying to hear that at time like this that swingeing cuts are being planned to the Environment Agency.”

He added: “You don’t have to have spent half a lifetime as an angler, boater or wildfowl enthusiast to have a basic understanding of how river catchments work and what makes flooding more or less likely – but it helps. As the flooding crisis has unfolded, the lack of science and evidence in the public debate on these issues needed to be challenged. This important report confirms what many anglers already know but which many politicians have failed to grasp. With EA figures showing that dredging the Thames tributaries could result in another 550 million gallons a day hitting already flooded communities in Berkshire and Surrey”

 Mark Lloyd, Chief Executive of the Angling Trust said: “Whilst it is clear that addressing the immediate needs of affected communities must take priority, we hope that once the flood waters have subsided lessons will be learned from these floods. A longer-term, evidence-based policy of sustainable land use management is needed to address both flooding and drought across the whole catchment. That would be the best outcome for people, wildlife and the environment.”

 

quote mr Lloyd:  A longer-term, evidence-based policy

 

 

yer right.


Edited by barry luxton, 04 April 2014 - 08:35 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..