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#1 Worms

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Posted 17 October 2014 - 11:47 AM

http://www.anglingtr...e=5&itemid=2278

A great read and the figures are really interesting. I posted this on the AT Facebook page....shouldn't imagine it will stay there long....

"An interesting read, thanks for putting that up. It really clarifies things.

So, from the waters that we are interested in, STECF put landings from UK Recreational fishing at 5.9% of the total, UK commercials manage 14.2% so a total of 20.1% of all bass landings in Europe. The French Recreational anglers catching 16.5% whilst the French total is (Commercial and Recreational) 65.8%.....and as is made quite clear, a significant impact of landings is made by 30 French pair trawlers fishing off the North Devon and Cornwall coasts.

Now let's look at the percentage of recreational caught bass per country...

Of the four countries listed, France, UK, Holland and Belgium, a total of 155 million people,

France, 41% popn. > 63.8% of RSA bass
UK, 41% popn. > 22.7% of RSA bass
Holland, 11% popn. > 9.2% of RSA bass
Belgium, 7% popn. > 4.2% of RSA bass

That works out at the French having nearly three times more RSA caught bass than the UK, The Dutch, over half as many as the UK and the Belgians having about 10% more than the UK per head of population.

Now, the Angling trust are planning to bring in RSA bass restrictions based on those figures?...Really?

Shouldn't the Trust be looking at telling the Government that as a minor RSA (and commercial compared with the French) fishery for bass in Europe that protects its nursery grounds (for the benefit of all!) that they should be standing up to Europe to restrict other EU commercials that are blasting the RSA and commercial bass fishing in "shared" waters?

The Angling Trust standing up for UK bass anglers?....It certainly doesn't look like it from here!"


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Posted 17 October 2014 - 05:22 PM

don't take any working out where the problem lies if there is a problem, yet TAT ignore that and come out with rubbish with salter and the ceo of TAT going to fellow m p's rubbishing anyone who supports the commercial sector, causing ill feelings and providing a barrier on behalf of the anglers that they haven't consulted and the commercial bass sector. They also come out with rubbish work their pursuing, linked with the EAA and the failed cfp. Not one angler in the u k has been asked to approve this rubbish. Are they cocking a deaf one or are they being blindingly stupid and crass in doing what they think it right for 0ne million anglers come what may, without asking the very same. Self appointed dictators spring to mind.


 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 18 October 2014 - 09:47 AM

don't take any working out where the problem lies if there is a problem, yet TAT ignore that and come out with rubbish with salter and the ceo of TAT going to fellow m p's rubbishing anyone who supports the commercial sector, causing ill feelings and providing a barrier on behalf of the anglers that they haven't consulted and the commercial bass sector. They also come out with rubbish work their pursuing, linked with the EAA and the failed cfp. Not one angler in the u k has been asked to approve this rubbish. Are they cocking a deaf one or are they being blindingly stupid and crass in doing what they think it right for 0ne million anglers come what may, without asking the very same. Self appointed dictators spring to mind.

:bangin: What do you expect, it's par for the course. The AT don't need to consult anglers because they have their own "experts" to advise them. What do anglers know, they're just anglers, not experts with a certificate to say they know best.  :bangin:



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Posted 18 October 2014 - 12:39 PM

What annoys me most of all is that they posted the STECF and ICES reports as "evidence" to back their case yet they obviously don't have anybody in the Truss that can read a report and do very simple statistical analyses. To start haranguing the government to get restrictions on bass fishing (commercial or RSA) is just wrong given the evidence.

 


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:19 AM

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:59 AM

http://www.anglingtr...e=5&itemid=2278

A great read and the figures are really interesting. I posted this on the AT Facebook page....shouldn't imagine it will stay there long....

"An interesting read, thanks for putting that up. It really clarifies things.

So, from the waters that we are interested in, STECF put landings from UK Recreational fishing at 5.9% of the total, UK commercials manage 14.2% so a total of 20.1% of all bass landings in Europe. The French Recreational anglers catching 16.5% whilst the French total is (Commercial and Recreational) 65.8%.....and as is made quite clear, a significant impact of landings is made by 30 French pair trawlers fishing off the North Devon and Cornwall coasts.

Now let's look at the percentage of recreational caught bass per country...

Of the four countries listed, France, UK, Holland and Belgium, a total of 155 million people,

France, 41% popn. > 63.8% of RSA bass
UK, 41% popn. > 22.7% of RSA bass
Holland, 11% popn. > 9.2% of RSA bass
Belgium, 7% popn. > 4.2% of RSA bass

That works out at the French having nearly three times more RSA caught bass than the UK, The Dutch, over half as many as the UK and the Belgians having about 10% more than the UK per head of population.

Now, the Angling trust are planning to bring in RSA bass restrictions based on those figures?...Really?

Shouldn't the Trust be looking at telling the Government that as a minor RSA (and commercial compared with the French) fishery for bass in Europe that protects its nursery grounds (for the benefit of all!) that they should be standing up to Europe to restrict other EU commercials that are blasting the RSA and commercial bass fishing in "shared" waters?

The Angling Trust standing up for UK bass anglers?....It certainly doesn't look like it from here!"

 

 

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 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:58 PM

Good grief Lux your alive, new computer for christmas? 

 

Looks like your way behind re this Bass thing perhaps you should give WSF a look in some of your mates are missing you  :hypocrite:  :bleh:

 

http://www.worldseaf...82#post-9602230


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 04:12 PM

Government response to bass petition.

Exec summary, think yourself lucky the EU is allowing you to catch and release.

:rolleyes:

 

https://petition.par...etitions/116747

 

The petition title misrepresents the EU process. UK Government successfully ensured anglers could fish for sport and the derogation for gillnets excluded driftnets that take most UK netting catches.

 

Read the response in full

The UK Government has not sought to water down the EU decision to protect bass stocks agreed in the EU fisheries Council on 15 December 2015, as suggested in the petition title. The terms of the petition are either a misrepresentation or misunderstanding of the EU process and the UK Government’s approach.

It is actually the UK Government that has consistently pressed for EU action to address the decline of the stock, and we secured emergency action in 2015. We were not the authors of the recent proposal for 2016, however – this was a Commission proposal – nor indeed of the derogations offered in the compromise deal tabled at Council. However the agreement for 2016 is tougher on most sectors than that for 2015.

The UK Government did manage to achieve some key outcomes to adjust both the proposal and the related compromise deal. These help to protect the EU bass stock’s progress to sustainable fishing and the interests of both recreational and small scale commercial fishermen as EU bass fisheries move towards that goal, as follows.

We fought for and secured continuation of a recreational catch and release fishery for recreational sea anglers during the 6 month moratorium on bass catches, which was under threat in the Commission proposal wording. This means that anglers and charter vessels can continue sport-fishing activity throughout the year, subject to the ban proposed by the Commission on keeping bass during the first six months, coupled with a single fish daily bag limit per person in the second half of the year.

While accepting the principle of the proposed 6 month moratorium and a subsequent catch limit of 1 tonne per vessel per month for most commercial fisheries, we aimed to avoid disproportionate impacts on the lower impact, small-scale inshore hook and line and inshore fixed gillnet fisheries during the first 6 months. But as the UK Government position was for a more modest derogation than that offered on the day, we sought to reduce the impact of this on bass stocks.

Our negotiating position was based on different fisheries’ relative impacts and reflected several factors. Hook and line has the highest degree of selectivity for the right size of bass taken – though gillnets also perform well compared with other fishing methods. We also needed to consider the proportion of the bass catch taken by UK vessels using these methods: although the nets gear group has previously accounted for half of the annual UK bass total landings (46% average from 2011-2013), drift-netting is estimated to account for up to 90% of this, as the Commission are aware, and drift-netting was not agreed for inclusion in the derogation.

In the final compromise these two commercial fisheries (hook and line and fixed gillnets) were given identical derogations for all Member States fishing for bass (February-March moratorium and 1.3 tonne catch limit all year). The UK Government negotiating position in advance of the Council decision had been to press for lower – and differentiated – catch limits for derogations to apply for these two EU fisheries (excluding drift-netting) during the moratorium. But while the compromise offered higher monthly catch limits for netting, matching the limits for hook and line, these are not applicable to the majority of UK netting activity and are combined with the complete closure for two months.

It was necessary to agree EU-level measures for bass in this way because we share the fishery with other Member States who need to be fully signed up if we are to achieve stock recovery. We now at least have a firm timetable with Member States’ and Commission agreement, to achieve sustainable fishing of bass by 2018, and the EU’s interim management package will increasingly be complemented by regional measures, including in the context of multi-annual management plans driven by the Member States concerned, as well as national ones.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs



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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:36 AM

:yucky: Just one word to describe this feeble excuse written by a time serving civil servant, " BOLLAUX ".  :yucky:


Edited by Norm B, 21 January 2016 - 10:37 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2016 - 07:16 PM


Now now Norm, you only get out of ministers and pathetic e u management etc what you put in. The thanks must go to TAT and their euro chums the eaa for linking the rsa in with the failed cfp. That's without consultation btw or one rsa rep on their books. Now when TAT started jumping up and down and screaming to their chums in parliament, they where using pathetic so called science from ices that only included sampling from the solent to claim that the stock was falling off a cliff, salter said that. The first response from the eu management was for anglers to be restricted to one fish each. No no no screamed salter and from then on it all went down hill.

Spare a thought for the weekend bass charter fishing boats Norm, all one of them at Folkestone, he's now lost 50% of his business, not that the likes of TAT care as the rsa skippers don't feed their funding schedule. He was in competition with the French artisanal bass boat who where selling into the commercial market, no doubt they will continue to drift the bass wrecks up and down the varne, yet our skipper who we have fished with for coming up to 40 years will find it very very hard to get anglers to even step aboard. Top notch job TAT, be very proud of what you have achieved. BTW shoals and shoals of the spiky blighters in Folkestone bay before Christmas.

I note TAT and co have distanced themselves from any fault or blame. Apart from shiet science, they also used with reverance the figure of 880,000 rsa pulling in all them fish. Thank TAT and co for doing such a good job. What's next on their agenda I have to ask. Destroyers of coastal communities.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..