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#1 Mat Hillman

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 04:14 PM

A fishery near me is about to change it's rules an insist that all anglers uses Crib/Cradle style unhooking stations rather than a standard mat.  Seems a bit OTT to me,  I've never had any problems using a mat, and in fact think a mat is a better option for pike as you can straddle them to control them while unhooking,  in a cradle it'd be free to thrash about 

 

Wondered what you guys thought,  is this getting a bit OTT?  those things aren't cheap,  and I'm not convinced that they will actually improve fish welfare.

 

Or is this something we are going to see more of ?

 

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 04:45 PM

A fishery owner is free to make any rules he sees fit.

 

An angler is free to choose whether or not he fishes there.

 

It might be worth having a chat with the owner to find out the thinking behind the rule - perhaps he is involved in marketing these items !




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Posted 28 October 2014 - 04:54 PM

Or is this something we are going to see more of ?

 

Mat

 

This seems to be a bit of an in-thing at the moment and have heard of a few syndicate waters that are moving to cradles only. I guess like all rules at clubs/syndicates, if you want to fish those waters then you follow the rules despite your own opinions or jog on.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 05:02 PM

You should know by now that everything is slanted towards carp.

They are a valuable asset both in cost to purchase and revenue brought in.

Everything else pales into insignificance.



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Posted 28 October 2014 - 05:52 PM

As vagabond says owners can use any rules they please ,if you dont like it ignore them or toe the line ,theres still choice but some may have results not to your liking

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 06:10 PM

Fishery owners invest a lot of money in stock and can make any rules they like to protect their investment.

Unfortunately, a lot of the rules they make are not based on accurate information i.e. nuts swell up in the fish and kill them.

I think that this is OTT but I also think that you are likely to see more of it in future.


Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

 

 

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 06:23 PM

Matt I went over to a crib type a year or so a go for tench bream etc and have been very pleased with it over a standard mat.

 

If fishing on a slight slope the fish dont slip off and if its a low soft sided one unhooking pike is no problem as you neal on it as normal. the advantage is on the rare occasion you get 2 takes you can cover the fish in the crib by pulling top over for a few seconds and keeping it safe. 

 

It also helps if you want a selftake. Throw water over it in crib and setup camera whilst fish is covered and canno slip off as in a mat set up. 

 

I chuck my landing net weigh sling etc in it for transporting and it will sit on a roof rack with contents fine for keeping wet things out of the car. All in all its worked really well for me and wont go back to a normal mat other than for stalking.

 

 

http://www.carp-zone...uro Carp Cradle

 

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Edited by John Weddup, 28 October 2014 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:35 PM

A club I belong to encourages the use of cradle type unhooking mats, I went for the Fox one and I have to say I'm very pleased with it.

Yes, at the time I thought they were being a little OTT, but having used it a few times and with fish care the main concern, I'm pleased I went for a cradle.

Can anyone tell me they have never had a lively fish come off an Unhooking mat ?

http://www.foxint.co...t=2748


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Edited by BobH, 28 October 2014 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:58 PM

All unhooking mats are bad for fish. Would be better to just ban them and make everyone unhook fish in their landing net in the water. 

 

Sorry not everyone, carp anglers can keep them and take an age taking pictures of every carp they catch on them.  :)


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Posted 28 October 2014 - 08:06 PM

All unhooking mats are bad for fish. Would be better to just ban them and make everyone unhook fish in their landing net in the water. 
 
Sorry not everyone, carp anglers can keep them and take an age taking pictures of every carp they catch on them.  :)

Maybe you could explain that more clearly ?

This is a thread about Carp Cradles, not whether you like Carp Fishermen and Carp Fishing ?

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