Fish welfare - or just OTT

[Steve Walker]

Envy? I think not.

[gozzer]

Sorry Bob, you are kidding yourself if you think that it's jealousy that makes people question these things. From my stand it's more to do with hypocrisy than anything else.

You still haven't said whether you think that my point about making sure the fish are safe, and then taking them out of that 'safe' area to take a pic' is justified or not.

 

John.

[Sportsman]

Quite a few (inaccurate) assumptions being made, for no apparent reason Bob.

Maybe you just wish it were true.

[chesters1]

See, that's what I mean. You presumably could have made a note of which members were fishing which pegs and then had a walk around at the end if the day to see who's leaving litter but instead of having one of those "difficult conversations", another rule got added to the detriment of everybody.

Its not all always practical ,when i had my honda 90 i used to go down 3 times a day ,about 8am dinner time then 5ish but usually dusk if it was a nice night ,most of the time in the summer there were two or three anglers using the same swim so the chances of picking the right angler to pounce on extremely hard .

Generally my pond is clean theres a lot of "resident" local anglers mostly old folk in the week and the usual stalwarts from further afield at the weekends.

Most i know by sight and are on my list (i have a list of the frequent anglers and their number so they dont have to search in the tackle box for their permit ,being old most are in danger of falling in ) so they know not to leave litter.

On the lower side and end of the lakes its near or is a footpath and litter blows in from there so you still cannot prove they left it unless its in their swim when they are there and on the next visit.

Saying that i only get say a carrier bag of litter a year ,mostly cans from corn deviously hidden in the bracken but easy to find once it dies down

 

The biggest annoyance is line ,most only seen when the suns at a certain angle ,we lost our extremely tame robin a few years ago caught in a bit of line in a bush a foot above the ground so easily retrieved grrr

 

It amuses the head bailiff when i dont recognise names when he talks about a particular angler ,i dont do names i forget them a second after i get told them so my list goes by particular things they own ,little white van ,red hat man ,mr sensas ,mr christmas (white hair and beard) etc etc ,it has flaws ofcourse if mr red hat man lost his hat i am sure i wouldnt know who he was

Some stick ones number was 1044 and it stuck (nice reel) so hes mr 1044 ,mr yellow bag man always has 2 yellow bags with him ,goodness knows why they are just yellow stiff carrier bags but to me him ,his face and certainly his name wouldnt stick in my mind for a second ,i dont do faces either !

Edited November 7, 2014 by chesters1

[BobH]

Sorry Bob, you are kidding yourself if you think that it's jealousy that makes people question these things. From my stand it's more to do with hypocrisy than anything else.

You still haven't said whether you think that my point about making sure the fish are safe, and then taking them out of that 'safe' area to take a pic' is justified or not.

 

John.

gozzer

 

I have said many times on this thread that I take picture of my bigger captures, that is only a very small percentage of the fish I catch.

 

It's nothing what ever to do with hypocrisy, the very act of Fishing is fraught with dangers and that does not stop you fishing,

 

I know the point you are trying to make and in my opinion that is to belittle the angler who takes a picture of the his fish captures by pointing out the dangers that might occur, but for the majority never have, due to the care they take in photographing the fish.

 

So coming back to the real question, Fish Welfare-or just OTT.

 

There is a nice little club of like minded anglers who don't fish for Carp and they see Fish Welfare as being directly attributed to the Carp and Specialist anglers and their obsession with the fish care, which at every opportunity they condemn.

 

If it's not fish welfare, it could be a myriad of other things, buzzer too loud, to much tackle, camping, hogging swims, drunkenness on the bank, you name it and it's all down to the decline of angling and the fault of Carp Anglers.

 

Sorry mate your argument about the weighing and photographing of fish has little to do with the issue of Fish Welfare.

 

Bob

[Sportsman]

Absolute ******

It has everything to do with fish welfare.

Your are intentionally increasing the amount of handling and the time the fish is out of water unnecessarily.

Most fish handling could be much improved without the use of things like cradles, but it would take a bit of thought on the part of the angler.

Buying more and more kit and then using it inappropriately is one thing but having the brass neck to preach to other people who don't happen to agree with you is hypocrisy.

[BobH]

Absolute ******

It has everything to do with fish welfare.

Your are intentionally increasing the amount of handling and the time the fish is out of water unnecessarily.

Most fish handling could be much improved without the use of things like cradles, but it would take a bit of thought on the part of the angler.

Buying more and more kit and then using it inappropriately is one thing but having the brass neck to preach to other people who don't happen to agree with you is hypocrisy.

 

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Rubbish, I believe it's you who is doing the Preaching !!

 

Bob

Edited November 7, 2014 by BobH

[kirisute]

Dad caught a cracking perch earlier this year....so cracking I really did need to photograph it!

We were sat side by side on the same platform.

He landed the perch, I got my camera out.

Told him to hold it up.

It wriggled and he struggled a bit....got it under control...

I composed the shot...

Pressed the shutter...

The perch wriggled again...and he lost his grip....

I took two photos!

One of him drooping it and one with it half out of frame as it nose dived back into the lake....

Then my rod was dragged in from between my knees by a carp!

True story!! I'll post the piccies if you want!lol

 

The perils of fish photography are ever present!!

I don't think anyone on here is jealous of someone catching big fish! Really? We might say " lucky sod!" Or "wish that was mine" but jealous enough to take over a thread? Nope. Sorry. Don't see it!

 

As with all things...a minority can annoy people. In this case....carpers get attacked because of the minority some people see who do, hog swims, cast through swims, leave a mess, take up 3 swims or just invest in all the gear with no idea!

At the same time I can point out a minority of non carpers who do EXACTLY the same!

I get ribbed for wearing camo! Or my pen rods.....

It is what it is! Some will say cribs are too much....some won't....

You say potato....I say read the bloody rule board before you start fishing!

[Sportsman]

Absolute ******

It has everything to do with fish welfare.

Your are intentionally increasing the amount of handling and the time the fish is out of water unnecessarily.

Most fish handling could be much improved without the use of things like cradles, but it would take a bit of thought on the part of the angler.

Buying more and more kit and then using it inappropriately is one thing but having the brass neck to preach to other people who don't happen to agree with you is hypocrisy.

 

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Rubbish, I believe it's you who is doing the Preaching !!

 

Bob

On the contrary, I have preached about nothing.

I couldn't give a rats whether you use cradles, mats or long grass.I really don't care if you want to photograph every fish you catch or weigh the life out of it (literally) Your choice.

What I said was that I thought the problem of fish care stemmed from the desire to photograph and weigh EVERY fish caught.

I have been saying this on here for a good few years now.

I think that when someone nets a fish, carries it up the bank. Transfers it from net to cradle/mat. From mat to weigh sling. Picks it up and bounces it around in the sling whilst it is weighed.

Transfers it back to mat. Wipes it a few times to get the leaves and grass off. Turns it over a couple of time whilst he selects its "good side" Leaves it laying on the mat while he gets the camera ready. Notices that whilst he was distracted the carp has flopped onto the grass, so picks it up, puts it back on the mat and wipes the grass off again. Finally picks it up to photograph it. When it flaps a bit hugs it close to his body, wiping it up and down his clothing. Repeats the process. Takes photographs from side and front.

Replaces fish on mat. Inspects fish for abrasions or dislodged scales and treat same with antiseptic. Treats hookwound with antiseptic. Carries fish to waters edge and releases it. Boasts about how fish care is paramount and my cradle cost XXX amount.

That is poor fish handling.

Doesn't happen?

I see it most times I go carp fishing. (It would be a lot of trouble for a gudgeon)

See it often enough on UK fishing videos being practised by the "experts"

I go carp fishing quite often and catch a lot of big carp, sturgeon and catfish (pleasures of living in France and having friends who own carp lakes, as well as owning one myself)

Sturgeon are not netted, I get in the water, unhook it in the water and hold it supported until it is ready. Carp are mostly unhooked in the net. Cats are slid onto a large wet tarp by holding bottom jaw, unhooked and slid back.

 

Jealous of you? I doubt it

[Tigger]

It's obvious if we get a nice fish we might want a picture of it. I haven't got a problem with people taking pic's, i'd be a total hypocrite if I had since i've taken lots myself.

Getting back to unhooking matts...If some one wants to use an unhooking mat because the spot they're gonn'a rest the fish warrants one then fair enough but to just use them for the sake of it so as to be seen "doing the right thing" is annoying...PC coming into angling !