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#11 n4lly

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:15 PM

Sorry dont subscribe, any more back peddling ashford and the chain will come off <_<

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:33 PM

Sea Fishing and Conservation

Iím firstly a Sea Angler; if I were a 100% conservationist I would not be casting baited hooks seaward in the quest for a living creature.

My days of sea fishing started when I was very young and meant a fruitful day would help to feed a hungry family.

Today you may not know, but in the past feeding your family was just part of everyday life. Where the food came from was all local. Chickens, Pigs, Rabbits, Apples, Pears and Plums they were all there. In folkís backyards n gardens, they were traded off for what youíd not got. So a few fish for a rabbit or a dozen eggs, this was day to day living.

Today you can easily pop to you local supermarket, out of season, and buy anything fresh. It donít matter how itís harvested, this donít come into the equation. You just put your hand into your wallet and pay for your goods, thank you and good day.

Now lets get off this soapbox.

Sea Fishing and Conservation

My fellow anglers and I never keep a fish thatís below the MLS, unless itís unreturnable, there can be many reasons for this. Which if youíre an experienced angler you would no why. Standing on the shore, or in a boat, you will see the wildlife would take care of this unfortunate catch. Do Seagulls, while out fishing, ever surround you; they are just looking for their next meal.

In size fish are often returned when a sufficient catch for the table has been caught. Sometimes more are kept for the freezer, to be eaten in leaner times.

To preach Sea Fishing Conservationism, some on this Forum are targeting the wrong people. You need to be knocking on supermarket counters, asking your local chippy where their fish stocks come from. Go to the gates of fish markets and tell them what your thoughts are on over fishing the seas. If your convictions were true, you would not fear their reactions and stand the cause.

I do, do my part for Sea Fishing Conservation, there are names that participate on this forum that would vouch for that. Graphically my input goes unsigned. Anyone or anybody that asks for me, to do, or take part in their fight for conservation will be considered, if I feel the cause is right for Sea Fishing. I cannot fight all battles but given the choice Iíd be in the front line of Major Issues.

Now to those likkle localised thinking immature, irresponsible so called self-proclaimed defenders of all, get off your high horses, get into reality and go fishing.
It would do you good.

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Hi John,

A conservationist is a person is a person who conserves natural resources ensuring that the resource; be it a plant, tree or any other species survives, but in no way does it mean that a useful resource cannot be harvested providing the resource is not depleted for future use.

I agree with your sentiments on the past but those days are long gone.

I would agree that some have been far too dogmatic with their views on conservation but I would not say that this forum is not a place to air our views on conservation.

Whilst the members might be fully aware, those that visit the site may not be and hopefully if they have no previous conservation ideals they may learn some and enjoy some good fishing reports.

As you know from my post I agree with most of your statement and all went well till the last four lines which to my mind turned it into a victory march and an insult to those who try their very best to make the British coast a better place for not only our angling but for generations to come.

They volunteer their time to carry out this work and in order to do so they must be extremely passionate about their objectives, their ideals may not suit us 100% at all times but they do deserve some leeway.

I have thought a great deal about your post before making mine and in no way do I wish to flame this thread or cause offence.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:00 PM

Don't understand the 'let's go fishing and catch some fish!' comments? People that C&R catch fish to, we just put them back so we and others can catch them again.

John you came in for some stick on previous threads because you provoked people by posting crass pics of lots of dead fish, what do you expect?

Most have no problem with taking fish for the table BUT many go way beyond this a sell what ever they catch. They are basically commercials nothing less. Iím sure you are a decent bloke and I would get on with you but attitudes need to change if we are to have any chance of catching a bass over 2lb in a few years time.

Edited by JRT, 16 October 2006 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:23 PM

hi ken ,
john was not turning it into a victory march ( not from the words i read ) all the man was simply doing was airing his views and speaking his mind .
just as the minority do, to the guys who have the backbone to actually publish what they believe about angling on this forum.(me included)

as i have asked in the past, is this forum called anglers net or conservationists net?
can we have some seperation of some kind? a partition of sorts?

ok , the people you talk about , yes i'm sure do a good job, we don't discredit them in anyway (not as far as i know ) so ask them to do us a favour........

give the "ANGLERS" a break and let them catch some fish (AND POST ON HERE) without the fear of being victimized as cold hearted murderers that have no consideration for anyone but themselves

i'm not a bad mannered person but i am seriously thinking about some anger management lessons ;as all i read is nastiness to people who want to talk about their catch and be shamed for doing it

please give us a BREAK!!!!!

if this forum was without a heading of it's name and the talk was about humans visitors would think it was a link to AL JAZEERA

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:53 PM

Don't understand the 'let's go fishing and catch some fish!' comments? People that C&R catch fish to, we just put them back so we and others can catch them again.

John you came in for some stick on previous threads because you provoked people by posting crass pics of lots of dead fish, what do you expect?

Most have no problem with taking fish for the table BUT many go way beyond this a sell what ever they catch. They are basically commercials nothing less. Iím sure you are a decent bloke and I would get on with you but attitudes need to change if we are to have any chance of catching a bass over 2lb in a few years time.

ok people do sell their catch and it is illegal(is that your gripe?) people are breaking the law everywhere with everything. can you tell me you have never sped? bought dodgy gear? bought cheap fags? everyone is breaking the law somewhere.

how can we be doing any sort of damage to the fisheries when looked at as a child (the trawlers take their quota out of the sea , then compare that to a recreational angler ....absolutely no comparrision whatsoever)

and what is CRASS about pictures of dead fish? i'm sure that all of them were given good homes and all thouroughly enjoyed.

as far as attitudes go , i think that with time attitudes do change along with lifestyle and it is a matter of evolution. people change (it's a simple matter of fact) all i can say to you is ; let parliament and europe fight it out and whatever will be WILL BE!



would love to see some pictures of your catches john, i would post some of mine but it may cause uproar as most of my photo's include pictures of lots and lots of dead fish!!
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 10:06 PM

as i have asked in the past, is this forum called anglers net or conservationists net?
can we have some seperation of some kind? a partition of sorts?


Maybe I am wrong but for my money the two go hand in hand, I love angling, I love catching and I am not against keeping fish for the pot, but at the same time I am aware that the resource that we share is not going to last as long as man kind keeps taking without thinking about the future.

Now John has stated that he does release fish so he is an active conservationist, he also states he will support measures as much as he can but that hardly does justice to his last four lines.

Yes he did come in for a lot of stick when he posted a picture showing a box of bass and it did get out of hand, but he was waving the red flag as some thought and unfortunately the bull charged and as we all know it was not John who got tossed out of the ring. :rolleyes:

The last four lines spoiled what was a reasonable post.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 10:16 PM

i'm sorry ken but what john wrote is right (every word of it) leave the guy alone . he's entitled to his opinions as much as the next man . he supports the good fight but he is SICK of hearing from people who just don't want to hear or put him down
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 10:58 PM

i'm sorry ken but what john wrote is right (every word of it) leave the guy alone . he's entitled to his opinions as much as the next man . he supports the good fight but he is SICK of hearing from people who just don't want to hear or put him down


When one post on an open forum one must expect that there will be those who agree, those who don't give a toss either way and those who do not agree.

All of them are entitled to their views providing they are polite in their replies.

I am a member of several forums but AN is for me the best for open debate, it also has some of the best reading reports and John has posted some excellent angling post with some very good humour.

In most cases you are probably quite correct in stating that we as anglers don't show on the graph when it comes to comparing catch rates with commercial activities but it does not hurt to lead by example.

I have been on boats where the catches would make Johns box of bass look quite sad :lol: and pictures of that catch have been placed on this forum one or two at a time held aloft by smiling anglers, looks much better than a heap of fish in a box. :rolleyes: :D
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 11:04 PM

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 11:16 PM

When one post on an open forum one must expect that there will be those who agree, those who don't give a toss either way and those who do not agree.

All of them are entitled to their views providing they are polite in their replies.

I am a member of several forums but AN is for me the best for open debate, it also has some of the best reading reports and John has posted some excellent angling post with some very good humour.

In most cases you are probably quite correct in stating that we as anglers don't show on the graph when it comes to comparing catch rates with commercial activities but it does not hurt to lead by example.

I have been on boats where the catches would make Johns box of bass look quite sad :lol: and pictures of that catch have been placed on this forum one or two at a time held aloft by smiling anglers, looks much better than a heap of fish in a box. :rolleyes: :D

couldn't agree with you more , so why all the moaning about (looking after)conservation when you yourself have said that you have done it yourself?

i don't preach conservation on this forum because it aint called CONSERVATION NET if it was then i would put my point across and quite strongly , i might add.

its called ANGLERS NET and is for ANGLERS (like yourself with all your experiences of angling) and everybody else

i find it ridiculous that people on here latch on to a thread about fishing and pull it to bits with conservation issues FOR CHRIST'S SAKE give people a chance

what's the point?
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