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Hi Steve

You seem to at least ackowledge that there is a problem with our fish stocks, which is a first from a commercial fisherman on this forum. So if there is a problem, there must be a solution. What would you do Steve, if you had the power? What would make a difference?

 

Hi Steve

 

QUOTE/ So if there is a problem, there must be a solution. What would you do Steve, if you had the power? What would make a difference?

 

There is no solution, even if I had the power, and nothing would make a differance, we are locked into a management system (CFP) that oversee all the fisheries in Europe, the area is to large and the fisheries to mixed, diverse, and complexed for any one management systems to be affective, plus the people who make the decisions only make them in the best interests of their own coutries, not for what is best for the differant fisheries. This is not a good basis for meaningful management ( perhaps it should be privatised)

 

I believe that under the present management system all fisheries are doomed because of the way the system operates.

 

Fish are apart of their own food chain one supports the other.

 

Lets take the Cod fisheries/ status collapsed/ reasons why/ Biomass of spawning stock unprotected/ aggregate dregding taking away spawning grounds/ mls to small/ mesh size to small in other fisheries/ discards/ quotas making more discards/ black fish decreasing spawning stock/ fish meal taking away food source and killing millions of tons of 2 inch cod in the process/ tilt, tilt tilt, You need one hell of good management system to manage just one fishery, and we have not got one.

 

We are STUCK with the mangaement we have, and the fate of ALL fisheries are DOOMED to die because of this, it is only a matter of time and when, WHY do you think so much importance has been given to farming fish, the managers know thats all that will be left at the end of the day, and the public will not give a dam

 

Sorry but thats my veiw of it all

 

Regards Steve

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Hi Steve

 

QUOTE/ So if there is a problem, there must be a solution. What would you do Steve, if you had the power? What would make a difference?

 

There is no solution, even if I had the power, and nothing would make a differance, we are locked into a management system (CFP) that oversee all the fisheries in Europe, the area is to large and the fisheries to mixed, diverse, and complexed for any one management systems to be affective, plus the people who make the decisions only make them in the best interests of their own coutries, not for what is best for the differant fisheries. This is not a good basis for meaningful management ( perhaps it should be privatised)

 

I believe that under the present management system all fisheries are doomed because of the way the system operates.

 

Fish are apart of their own food chain one supports the other.

 

Lets take the Cod fisheries/ status collapsed/ reasons why/ Biomass of spawning stock unprotected/ aggregate dregding taking away spawning grounds/ mls to small/ mesh size to small in other fisheries/ discards/ quotas making more discards/ black fish decreasing spawning stock/ fish meal taking away food source and killing millions of tons of 2 inch cod in the process/ tilt, tilt tilt, You need one hell of good management system to manage just one fishery, and we have not got one.

 

We are STUCK with the mangaement we have, and the fate of ALL fisheries are DOOMED to die because of this, it is only a matter of time and when, WHY do you think so much importance has been given to farming fish, the managers know thats all that will be left at the end of the day, and the public will not give a dam

 

Sorry but thats my veiw of it all

 

Regards Steve

 

 

Unfortunatly i think i will go along with the above, what a good post.

 

regards barry

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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See also - http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAc...;guiLanguage=en

 

The following is extracted from para 2 onwards within it :

 

2) Another important feature is the protection of most coastal waters from the use of certain active gear, such as trawlers and purse seiners. This is vital for an effective protection of sensitive habitats and nursery grounds. But it is also of primary importance to maintain equilibrium between small scale fisheries and the larger vessels. I am well aware that this measure created a lot of concern to the associates of your organisation and some Honourable Members of Parliament, but I believe that the solution found is a good and viable compromise which keeps the general rule - 1.5 nautical miles off the coast irrespective of the depth for trawlers, and 300 metres off the coast and 50 metres of depth for purse seiners - while allowing, by way of derogation, for an adjustment of these rules to local geographic specificities, under certain conditions.

 

As for the trawlers, the minimum distance off the coast for the application of these derogations will be 0.7 miles, provided that sea-depth is no less than 50 metres. I understand that this measure is less restrictive than that currently enforced in Greek waters, where 1 nautical mile is the minimum distance from the coast for trawlers.

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It seems that the Mediterranean countries have realised that national management of a migratory specie like the tuna doesn't work; a multi-national approach is needed. The EU MED countries have even agreed a kind of 'CFP' for the MED as when they adoted the Mediterranean Regulation at the last Fisheries Council of 20-21 November. Strange isn't it? Mad or clever moves? :)

 

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction...;guiLanguage=en

http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAc...;guiLanguage=en

 

Commission: "ICCAT decisive measures offer realistic chance for sustainable fisheries of bluefin tuna"

 

Brussels, 26 November 2006

Commission: "ICCAT decisive measures offer realistic chance for sustainable fisheries of bluefin tuna"

“The decisive measures agreed by ICCAT today represent a realistic chance for the gradual recovery of bluefin tuna and, also importantly, for the sustainability of the fisheries, the fleets and the coastal communities involved. It is undeniable that, in the short term, the new measures will impose sacrifices on all those concerned. But, these measures are essential to the rebuilding of bluefin tuna on which the future ecological, economic and social sustainability of these fisheries depends.” Joe Borg, European Commissioner for Fisheries and Maritime Affairs, was commenting on the outcome of the annual meeting of the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas (ICCAT), which ended earlier today, in Dubrovnik, Croatia. Agreement was achieved on a far reaching proposal, tabled by the EU, Algeria, Croatia, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey, on a range of urgent measures from reduced fishing possibilities, closed seasons and authorised minimum landing sizes to strengthened control measures including the setting up of an international inspection scheme on the high sea. This agreement received the support of all the Contracting Parties directly involved in the fisheries concerned.

 

A 15-year plan will be set up starting from 1st January 2007. This plan will be continuously reviewed to ensure its effectiveness in the light of scientific advice. The first such review will take place in 2 year's time. The main measures, many of which are being introduced for the first time, include:

a gradual reduction in the total allowable catch from the current 32,000 tonnes to 25,500 tonnes in 2010.

an important extension of the closed seasons when bluefin tuna fisheries are prohibited:

for large-scale pelagic longline vessels over 24 metres: from 1 June to 31 December;

for purse seine fishing: 1 July to 31 December;

for bait boats: from 15 November to 15 May;

for pelagic trawlers from 15 November to 15 May.

a substantial increase in the authorised minimum landing sizes from 10 to 30Kg.

a global control system which covers every step of the process, from the catch to the market through to landing, transhipping and caging operations.

the application of a joint international inspection scheme which, for the very first time, will allow for inspections by one contracting party of any contracting party's vessel on the high seas.

the registration of all vessels fishing for bluefin tuna as well as of all traps, thus allowing for a clear picture of the fishing capacity.

an extension of the ban on the use of aircraft to spot aggregations of bluefin tuna from one month (June) to all year.

a ban on transhipment of bluefin tuna at sea for the purse seiners. In addition, all landings of bluefin tuna or transfers to cages will be subject to prior notification and strict control measures.

recreational fisheries will now be regulated, allowing for only one bluefin tuna per fishing trip.

 

These measures come from a range of measures set out by scientists to ensure the recovery of the east Atlantic and Mediterranean bluefin tuna. According to scientists, this multiannual plan should lead to a 50% reduction in catches of juvenile tuna as well as a substantial cut in catches of adults.

 

The underlying causes of the current problem stem from fishing overcapacity and poor enforcement of the existing measures which have resulted in illegal fishing activities. These causes will now be tackled through the setting up of an ICCAT Working Group on overcapacity. To strengthen enforcement, control measures will now apply throughout the whole chain of activities where documentation, prior notification and real time reporting will be required. Also very important to this process will be the international inspection scheme on the high sea which will strengthen the fight against illegal fishing.

 

Background

The ICCAT meeting was held from 17 to 26 November. At the heart of the discussions was the need for urgent measures to eliminate overfishing on the east Atlantic and Mediterranean bluefin tuna. According to scientists, the current amount of catches is over three times the level that would provide optimum return in a sustainable way. Fleet overcapacity and lack of proper enforcement have been identified as the main factors. This trend means that the bluefin tuna stock is now at high risk of collapse.

The new multiannual plan will tackle these problems head on. Indeed, all the Contracting Parties have welcomed the new control measures which will ensure that the plan will be properly implemented and, as a result, have a chance to help rebuild bluefin tuna. The European Commission had been very clear that it would endeavour to have an effective and sustainable set of measures, involving all the Parties, and backed up by a strengthened control regime covering all stages from catches, landings and transhipment to farming and marketing.

 

I think that we will be looking at these type of regulations and more around our shores. I don't think its a matter of what you want but it will be a case of this is what you are having. Note the rca's catch quota is for one fish per trip, that makes it kind of expensive somewhat.

 

cheers barry

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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