September meeting with Defra?

[Elton]

But as to the practicalities and realities of choosing who they really do want representing them from actual available candidates.

 

Someone give the public a list of candidates, then. That's how it usually works. Even the Monster Raving Loony Party can do that

 

Isn't this how the Angling Trust will work? (I'll ask them myself, if I get my membership details).

[Elton]

There's precious little insight to be found amongst the keyboard pundits.

 

That's a rather dismissive statement. I'm trying to think where I heard a similar "them and us" comment like that recently. Oh yeah, I remember.

[Leon Roskilly]

I'll ask them myself, if I get my membership details.

 

 

I hope it may be a while yet before you do get your membership details Elton.

 

(With a limited number of Admin staff working flat out to process the applications coming in, I'd be really worried if they were churning them out too quickly!)

 

 

ps I used my card this week to buy another couple of new beach casting rods. Where's my points to put towards my freshwater licence?

[Steve Coppolo]

Wurzel !? Then I have a cheaper solution, an answerphone at the AT headquarters. Only trouble would be to aggree which message to play. Maybe a consultation on this among the membership? Two equally valid messages spring to mind:

 

1) AT (eventually AT-NUFTA): There are plenty of fish out there but lack of quota (to commercial fishermen); scientists always get it all wrong; anglers and the under 10s sector have signed a declaration "pease in our time"; the two sectors stand firm demanding "More quota to the under 10s and free fishing for all and the rest."

 

2) AT (eventually AT-NUFTA): We don't want to be involved in politics - we surrender.

 

Wow, you're good! RSA representation at it very best.

[Steve Coppolo]

Oh! and the Directors.

 

I thought as Chairman of one of the bodies that joined up to make the AT, Richard Ferre automatically became a director? Is he a director of the AT, or not?

[Steve Coppolo]

Amen to that! (looking to the positives that is)

 

It seems to me that eveyone on here has an opinion as to what and who they don't want.

 

And some have an opinion as to who and what they would like in an ideal, but unrealistic world.

 

But as to the practicalities and realities of choosing who they really do want representing them from actual available candidates.

 

And the realistic course to steer through issues ahead.

 

There's precious little insight to be found amongst the keyboard pundits.

 

So, I take it that, in your view, the practicalities and realities are accepting any old duffer who is prepared to do it? Given what we've seen from the people available so far, I'd rather have no representation. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who think the same, too. Why isn't that an option?

 

And what is the realistic course to steer? Anything that you think is acceptable, or what the anglers actually want? How about ditching the RSA strategy, for a start, and then telling Defra and Cefas to mind their own business? If that's what the anglers wanted, would you be prepared to do it? I doubt it. We need someone who is.

 

What's wrong with the idea of the consortium of people? Too fair? No room for people who don't agree with you?

 

If you ask me, there's precious little insight to be found amongst current RSA representation - and absolutely no foresight.

[steve pitts]

What's wrong with the idea of the consortium of people? Too fair? No room for people who don't agree with you?

 

I think that's a very good idea Steve.

 

If you look at the attendees of that last meeting, several angling groups were represented (a consortium?).

 

I have attended several similar meetings over the past 10 years and the number of participants on 'our side of the table' has grown to include charter skippers' reps, anglers' reps from clubs and regional federations, national angling groups, nation-wide representative bodies, specialist angling groups, reps from the tackle trade and angling's political supporters.

 

I cannot remember anyone representing their own members, and the RSA sector, as a whole without a great deal of guts, determination and integrity. I have been there and witnessed how well some of these guys stand up to career civil servants and politicos.

 

The majority of these reps have given up more that just a day's pay, covered their own travel costs and mostly given accurate accounts of the meeting's proceedings - I know I have.

 

The constant reference to RSA's 'mis-representatives' is too easy a cliche to use and is an insult to those who I have had the honour to work with over the years.

 

You'll know some of the people I'm referring to Steve and I think that they deserve better than the term 'mis-representative', but if Wurzel floats your boat then you vote for him.

 

Cheers

Steve

[Guest challenge]

Must say that this is a brilliant thread

. I went fishing last night and caught 3 small codlings. They were all size fish so I will be having one of them for my tea tonight as I put the other two back. It was a great night for me and not a fishery officer to bee seen.

Now ill vote for anybody that will promise me that again in the not to distant future.

Regards.

[Steve Coppolo]

I think that's a very good idea Steve.

 

If you look at the attendees of that last meeting, several angling groups were represented (a consortium?).

I have attended several similar meetings over the past 10 years and the number of participants on 'our side of the table' has grown to include charter skippers' reps, anglers' reps from clubs and regional federations, national angling groups, nation-wide representative bodies, specialist angling groups, reps from the tackle trade and angling's political supporters.

 

I cannot remember anyone representing their own members, and the RSA sector, as a whole without a great deal of guts, determination and integrity. I have been there and witnessed how well some of these guys stand up to career civil servants and politicos.

 

The majority of these reps have given up more that just a day's pay, covered their own travel costs and mostly given accurate accounts of the meeting's proceedings - I know I have.

 

The constant reference to RSA's 'mis-representatives' is too easy a cliche to use and is an insult to those who I have had the honour to work with over the years.

 

You'll know some of the people I'm referring to Steve and I think that they deserve better than the term 'mis-representative', but if Wurzel floats your boat then you vote for him.Cheers

Steve

 

With the consortium idea, I was thinking more along the lines of the process that BASS used to pull apart various drafts of the RSA strategy. There's no reason why the same couldn't be done on any issue involving the future of sea angling, or why more people couldn't be involved in the process. Why we should have the same one or two individuals speaking for us, I don't know. Get the info out in the open and let the people who it is going to affect, have their say.

 

I have a very good idea of whom you refer to in your last few para's. What's happened, though, is other's have taken your places at the table. Come to think of it, it's since those people took over that things started to go to ratshit. I've said it before, Steve, a lot of good work, done by some good people, has been undone. It's a shame.

 

As for Wurzel, he's as good as anyone I know.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Steve Coppolo

[H.A.]

Why we should have the same one or two individuals speaking for us, I don't know.

 

Steve, as far are forums are concerned, you make whining noises like my inter-axle split-torque limited slip differential .

 

... it's since those people took over that things started to go to ratshit.

 

Why don't YOU get off yer a*se rather than knock everyone else who has shown some interest in these pseudo-politics (in so much as that we cannot formulate and legislate).

 

I thought you to be a decent angler and 'rep' when you attended those meetings and sat on a SFC.

 

For various reasons upon which you pontificate, you left the stuff you could influence and end up in a backwater!

 

It's a shame, because you had a lot of experience and persona to have had a real contribution to make.

 

It seems to me you have spent two years knocking anything - BASS, SACN, and your dreaded 'reps' and only because you 'dropped out' of the mainstream.

 

Yes, I know you have your reasons for doing that, but you have lost credibility because of your negative feelings about ... well, everything.

 

Now when you ask US, yes, ALL OF US , to support a commercial fisherman as a representative of anglers who have seen and suffered because of them; then you have lost it seriously.

 

Sorry mate; but that's how it comes over.

 

Just do what the other 'hybrids' do and get on with your business ... your views are vastly unconstructive as far as the REAL recreational/hobbyists are concerned.

 

Have a nice holiday somewhere ...

and take Leon with you.

 

Have drink together and lighten up.

 

Be careful what you fish for ....