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#21 clem

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 05:02 AM

Sorry to read you have had a bad trip. Did you discuss your dissapointment with the skipper before posting on a public forum, i'm sure that he would have viewed the situation differently to you and would have given you a reasonable explanation of why it didn't happen. You have just learned the difference between fishing and catching. Even defra would like to know how to say for certain there's ling down there or cod, it would save a huge amount of discard.

During the course of a year i have quite a few trips cancelled due to mainly weather situations, it is the skippers decision even if the likes of us weather experts think differently. Sometimes you get on the boat full of expectation and it does not happen, although dissapointing it does not stop you from trying again, surly.

This year there already has been notable catches made with this boat, posted on here, so i would again have to say thats fishing. There has already on here been a huge amount of postings with regards to how good the inshore cod fishing has become up there, again i have to say that thats fishing. One minute they are there the next there not.


Sorry Barry but I think Marting has been very measured and reasonable in making his observations.
On the weather issue :The boat is a huge , stable and very seaworthy ex naval vessel and is advertised as such if the weather came I am sure it would have been more than capable of dodging back to port also bearing in mind it is usually the speed of the drift that makes fishing impossible NOT the size of sea. Also unless there was a big change in forecast why go out there anyway?
There is no excuse for the crew wasting valuble fish. In 20 yrs of angling at Whitby it is the !st time Ive heard of fish spoiling aboard. I know Challenge used to pride himself in keeping the catch in prime condition regardless of pressure and quantity and has been rightly thanked on many occasions for this.
As for the food- well who pays twice for poor grub?

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 07:03 AM

First let me say that this is not in any way meant to discredit George or the way he runs the Chieftain. Maybe we have bean spoilt in the past with JB's vast knowlege of the north sea.
This was the second time this year we had a bad catch. And as said it's one of those day's i accept this.
George,Joyce,Eddie Will go from strenght to strenght i'm sure As for learning from their mistakes i never said they made any!!. I have read all the post's and yes bad fishing trips occur which anglers except.
On my last trip which as i said was like this one poor fishing. The last drift Steve Hall ( a long time Chieftain customer) left fish in is basket that was left overnight and ruined. He has since told me he has done with the Boat. This was probably an oversight on Eddie's part but how many more like this.

We all want the Chieftain to be a great experience for anglers in years to come and i hope it is. My comment on the food again we were spoilt with Michele.

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 07:17 AM

Sorry Barry but I think Marting has been very measured and reasonable in making his observations.
On the weather issue :The boat is a huge , stable and very seaworthy ex naval vessel and is advertised as such if the weather came I am sure it would have been more than capable of dodging back to port also bearing in mind it is usually the speed of the drift that makes fishing impossible NOT the size of sea. Also unless there was a big change in forecast why go out there anyway?
There is no excuse for the crew wasting valuble fish. In 20 yrs of angling at Whitby it is the !st time Ive heard of fish spoiling aboard. I know Challenge used to pride himself in keeping the catch in prime condition regardless of pressure and quantity and has been rightly thanked on many occasions for this.
As for the food- well who pays twice for poor grub?


Hi Clem, i do accept what you say, I do Know of the boat and look forward to me first trip on it, do you know if anyone had spoke to the skipper about what happend, even by email once back on shore? You never know he might have offered a discount.

Weather wise, i'm not a skipper, it is a tough one to call. Some times you are sitting in doors looking at the wind and wondering why a skipper has cancelled. Sometimes you have spent a few hours traveling, get on board and wondered why you make the effort.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 05 September 2007 - 07:27 AM

Hi Clem, i do accept what you say, I do Know of the boat and look forward to me first trip on it, do you know if anyone had spoke to the skipper about what happend, even by email once back on shore? You never know he might have offered a discount.

Weather wise, i'm not a skipper, it is a tough one to call. Some times you are sitting in doors looking at the wind and wondering why a skipper has cancelled. Sometimes you have spent a few hours traveling, get on board and wondered why you make the effort.


Dont know what went on Barry only whats on here. I suppose a discount or discounted trip would have been some recompense . Lets hope the other issues are sorted before you go. I look forward to an excellent report from you Barry with plenty of good fishing Good Luck :)

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 07:35 AM

Dont know what went on Barry only whats on here. I suppose a discount or discounted trip would have been some recompense . Lets hope the other issues are sorted before you go. I look forward to an excellent report from you Barry with plenty of good fishing Good Luck :)

Yes go get em Barry best of luck. Hope the fish are there for you..

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 09:57 AM

Any chance of a link via pm or up on here mate???
I for one would be interested in reading it as i'm out fishing on a 60 hour trip next friday 14th september.
Tight lines.


Hi Carl. Try this site. www.buoyweather.com Click on Europe then United Kingdom. Click the red dots and they give you the sea condition of that area. Thats how i check for the Chieftain and it has been ok upto now.
Regards MartinG

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 11:33 AM

First let me say that this is not in any way meant to discredit George or the way he runs the Chieftain. Maybe we have bean spoilt in the past with JB's vast knowlege of the north sea.
This was the second time this year we had a bad catch. And as said it's one of those day's i accept this.
George,Joyce,Eddie Will go from strenght to strenght i'm sure As for learning from their mistakes i never said they made any!!. I have read all the post's and yes bad fishing trips occur which anglers except.
On my last trip which as i said was like this one poor fishing. The last drift Steve Hall ( a long time Chieftain customer) left fish in is basket that was left overnight and ruined. He has since told me he has done with the Boat. This was probably an oversight on Eddie's part but how many more like this.

We all want the Chieftain to be a great experience for anglers in years to come and i hope it is. My comment on the food again we were spoilt with Michele.


I like you have no wish to discredit The skipper or crew of the chieftain

but yes mistakes were made the two buckets of fish were left over night for two reasons

the crewman dissappeared for a couple of hours while anglers were fishing
this led to a backlog of filleting which eventually darkness put a stop to.

and of course the extra filleting needed for the extra passengers that were carried at the time increased the overall amount

As for the food we could not fault it well done Joyce

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 05:57 PM

Yes go get em Barry best of luck. Hope the fish are there for you..


Thanks guys, believe it or not i wouldn't mind trying to go on a big ling trip for a change. None under 30lb, whats me chances.

Edited by barry luxton, 05 September 2007 - 05:57 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:51 PM

Thanks guys, believe it or not i wouldn't mind trying to go on a big ling trip for a change. None under 30lb, whats me chances.

John Brennan / Challenge would probably be able to fill you in better Barry. I've often thought of giving one a go , but seeing as the ling won't go back down due to the swim bladder and the fact that i hate filleting the things , it wouldn't be fair on the fish being caught simply for the sake of catching it.
I've heard , but no idea if it's correct or not , that the monsters are the "blue ling" and they congregate off the scottish coast.

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:58 PM

John Brennan / Challenge would probably be able to fill you in better Barry. I've often thought of giving one a go , but seeing as the ling won't go back down due to the swim bladder and the fact that i hate filleting the things , it wouldn't be fair on the fish being caught simply for the sake of catching it.
I've heard , but no idea if it's correct or not , that the monsters are the "blue ling" and they congregate off the scottish coast.


I'll fillet em for you, no problem. Done it once last year in the western approaches, biggest was about 35. Wouldn't mind some of the bigger ones though. After the crack with a few, move on to something else? I did see the details on John's web site last year and i'm still considering it. Thanks

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..