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#21 barry luxton

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:41 PM

Couldn't agree more Barry, this government is the worst yet :clap:

Arr yes, this is where i have just posted on another topic, fit for purpose. Now who said that. :)

Thanks for helping me guys, i now equall Elton in the most posts today :1a: however i'm off to kip, so i will let him win. Cheers.

Edited by barry luxton, 20 November 2007 - 09:44 PM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:43 PM

If you have a rapist in your comunity, you expect them to be tagged and monitored by the police.


Personally, I'd expect them to be brought to justice if at large.

We have rapists of our seas.


Stalking Common Skate no doubt?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:54 PM

Personally, I'd expect them to be brought to justice if at large.



Stalking Common Skate no doubt?

:headhurt:

I just have to answer this one.


That would be worse than trying it on with a wild haggis, surly. :yucky: :yucky: :yucky:

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 20 November 2007 - 10:00 PM

That would be worse than trying it on with a wild haggis, surly. :yucky: :yucky: :yucky:


Since you're off to bed we'll leave that thought with you :P

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 10:24 PM

Personally I would rather see no discard whatsoever followed by closed areas once an agreed target has been fished from that zone. Maybe that is why by-catch also has to be placed in baskets, so it can be logged - I don't know how else these scientist bodkins would be able to ascertain what is being taken and where otherwise?

The electronics on the commercial fishing fleet vary as they do on the charter fleet It's all down to what you have available in your pocket. But on saying that some of the commercial fleet have some pretty funky gear but I doubt they would be able to define species by bouncing of the swim bladder just yet.

:clap2: When will you all realise this conservation scheme to avoid discards is just a con by the commercials to get a bigger quota. Once the larger quota is caught, if they get one, they will then start throwing fish back into the sea dead and claiming it's the quota system that's to blame, not the commercial skippers greed in wanting to catch the last cod in the sea. Wake up, it's a scam and you've all fallen for it. :schmoll:

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 10:32 PM

:clap2: When will you all realise this conservation scheme to avoid discards is just a con by the commercials to get a bigger quota. Once the larger quota is caught, if they get one, they will then start throwing fish back into the sea dead and claiming it's the quota system that's to blame, not the commercial skippers greed in wanting to catch the last cod in the sea. Wake up, it's a scam and you've all fallen for it. :schmoll:


So what is the best solution we can implament Norm, assuming we have an open wish-list that goes beyond burning all their boats?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 10:48 PM

Davy old bean, you clearly have no idea about fish stocks, or instead of trying to fudge presented arguements, you might have come forward with some sort of an answer in the first instance instead of trying to be deflective.

I deal in what's concrete and can be proven, rather in this smoke and mirrors caper of yours which lacks power and slides all over the place missing the mark like a drunken man trying to stab the wrong key in the wrong lock. Your mediator/champion act doesn't wash buddy.

If you want to swap suggestions based on facts, then you first have to accept that the commercial industry and the poor little fisher-fellas are a bunch of very bad boys. No ifs, no buts... just the hard truth.

Further, if you are really confident in what you think is a sound case/arguement, then I am on the telly for an hour on Friday and will happily debate it in front of the world and people who do know what they are talking about.

Sleep well.

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Edited by Diabolos, 20 November 2007 - 10:49 PM.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 11:01 PM

Slightly off topic, one of the good programmes i watched was with the altaire when he showed how he fished for the mackerel etc. He had a screen that showed the trawl and the fish entering it, how many, how heavy and he had sold it before he had got it to the fish hold, amazing.

I found that obscene!!

Not your post Barry, but the Altaire netting the Mackerel.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 11:01 PM

Feel free to get your producer to contact me. But in the meantime feel free to place your concrete evidence here for discussion if you wish?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 11:06 PM

So what is the best solution we can implament Norm, assuming we have an open wish-list that goes beyond burning all their boats?

:clap2: EASY, a total allowable catch with NO discards. An area can support a certain amount of fish so they , DEFRA, give it a TAC, a total allowable catch. So many tons of, cod, haddock plaice, you name it, DEFRA have a TAC for it. Divide that by the boats with a licence or licences. Say a TAC of 5,000 tons, total, per boat. Video, sat nav, lie detectors, you name it, they, DEFRA, use it. When a boat has caught it's TAC it's laid up for the rest of the year. If they catch rubbish fish, bad luck, learn. If they catch quality fish, good luck, experienced skipper. No discards, if they're over their TAC it's taken out of next years quota. TACS/rules to be enforced with 1,000,000 fines and loss of boat and licence for ever, second or subsequent offences, 5 years in prison, not options. Try it, not many will cheat, well not more than twice. :thumbs: