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Leadcore: Good or Bad


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I don't see how it can be used safely, even if you use a 'safe' rig which frees the lead in the event of a break it still leaves the fish trailing leadcore.

 

Given the majority of fishery's stipulate barbless hooks only i am intrigued as to how long you think it will be trailing it for? Plus a carp could smash a 12lb hooklink in a flash when there is not the give of the angler playing the fish.

 

It makes me laugh when you get fisherys banning leadcore but alowing leaders such as the TFG Secret Trap ones which have a length of 45lb mono running down the middle of them.

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Given the majority of fishery's stipulate barbless hooks only i am intrigued as to how long you think it will be trailing it for? Plus a carp could smash a 12lb hooklink in a flash when there is not the give of the angler playing the fish.

 

It makes me laugh when you get fisherys banning leadcore but alowing leaders such as the TFG Secret Trap ones which have a length of 45lb mono running down the middle of them.

 

The majority of commercials, not that I'm a fan of muddy puddles, maybe do stipulate barbless hooks but in my experience they also usually ban leadcore.

 

Whether a carp would smash a 12lb hooklink is debatable as well, surely that would depend on the size of the carp, its condition and even what it's tethered to. And what about other species like Bream and Tench that pick up baits intended for Carp, do they not count?

 

Personally I don't use Barbless Hooks because I find they cause more mouth damage than micro barbed and therefore I don't use Leadcore or the other types of leaders you mention.

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Dear all,

 

I have been using leadcore leaders by korda now for quite a long time now and have never come across any problems.

 

I expect that it because I like to make sure that all the basic and simple things are all correct. Like making sure that the hooklink is a lower breaking strain than the mainline, and the other things like this making sure to minimise the possibility that anything can go wrong. This will make all the difference.

 

Dan.

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I expect that it because I like to make sure that all the basic and simple things are all correct. Like making sure that the hooklink is a lower breaking strain than the mainline, and the other things like this making sure to minimise the possibility that anything can go wrong. This will make all the difference.

 

Dan.

 

Well said.

 

Ive simply wound in far to many fish (strangely enough when Im piking) with rigs and massive lengths of line still attached.Nearly all are on "safe" rigs! erm that simply havnt worked..........also on the waters in question Im catching these fish in the Winter and there are so very few carpers out then that I have to summise that the rigs/fish were lost several months before and still havnt been able to get rid of the hook.

 

I still say though that if enough attention was paid to areas other than leadcore/tubing/type of hook etc etc that we wouldnt see the problems we do now.And unpopular as it is its still my opinion that a lot of the problems we now see in carp fishing are directly related to the general lack of experience many modern carpers have.But as there is no way we can "legislate" against this maybe Rob and Den are right and the only way is to discourage the methods/tactics/items of tackle that can be missused? But once again where should the line be drawn?

 

The best comments Ive read (and indeed the ones which do tempt me over to their point of veiw) are where its pointed out that there are other ways of achieving the same effect without so many potential problems.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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We recently discussed this subject in some detail on another thread,For those who missed it and are interested its here-

 

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/Leadcor...ing-t76625.html

 

it is intersting how the debate about leadcore is still going on! for many of yeards all weights were made of lead and they have slowly changed over the years! its funny that something that is so good at catching fish has in the end turnt bad!

i do admit that its down to the fishermen/women that catch fish but still there are so many things that are harmfull to the fish!!

some times i wonder if fish could talk what would they say but hey they cant talk!!!

 

but who knows in 1000 years time maybe they will talk to back to us lol!!

WHAT WOULD THEY SAY??? LOL

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I have been looking around for some web sites on leadcore and i fount this 1!!

 

 

http://www.carp-uk.net/rigs/leadcore/leadcore.htm

 

martin

 

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LOL I bet they would!!

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To fish or not to fish? That is the question!!!

 

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Given the majority of fishery's stipulate barbless hooks only i am intrigued as to how long you think it will be trailing it for? Plus a carp could smash a 12lb hooklink in a flash when there is not the give of the angler playing the fish.

 

I'd have to disagree with that. Try breaking a 12lb hooklength yourself, then imagine a fish trying to break it underwater. I'd wager it's impossible. In fact, try breaking even 5lb or 6lb line with your hands. Also, barbless hooks give no guarentee that they'll 'fall out'. I've caught fish with barbless hooks still in their mouths. I think most of the 'safety' stuff in carp fishing is designed to ease our conciences rather than actually achieve anything. And to create and sustain a booming industry, of course.

 

The theory of rig design is one thing, practical application is quite another.

 

Take the most popular 'safe' rig with leadcore, the helicopter or 'chod' (paternoster). The theory is that in the event of a snap-off or the lead becoming snagged, the carp swims away, the top rubber bead dislodges and runs up the leadcore, over the knot, and the hooklength comes off, and if the hook is barbless it falls out.

 

The reality is that it takes virtually nothing to jam that top bead up. A bit of weed, mud, debris. Plus it often grips the leadcore too tightly in the first place.

 

Take also lead clips. Perfectly designed to make us feel that we're fishing safely. How many actually discharge the leads when they're supposed to? Not many because leads cost silly money now, and we don't want to lose them. Plus many are badly designed in the first place and need trimming to make them do anything. So in effect you're fishing with a fixed lead.

 

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, but making an observation that being told (in the mags or whatever) that a rig is safe just because it comes in a packet from Fox or Korda or whoever doesn't really mean anything. Also, there are very few instances where leadcore or lead clips are needed at all. It always seems to come back around to the commercialisation of carp fishing and being told that there's a right way and a wrong way to fish. Fishing simply with good, strong, safe gear and spending your energy on location and feeding (and saving your money!) will see you right.

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I think for the time being i am gonna leave leadcore alone!

 

Cheers for the info all!

 

Martin

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PB Mirror 27lbs 4oz (UK)

PB Ghost Mirror 15lbs 6oz (UK)

 

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