EFTTA - Sea Fishing Licence

[glennk]

Hi All

 

Just a small point,

 

Anglers say no to licences unless DEFRA provide more and larger fish, how can DEFRA possibly do that.

 

Most fish spend some of the year in inshores water and the rest of the year offshore

 

All EU commercial fishermen catch these fish at some time of year

 

Most of these fisheries are managed by the EU commission

 

Unless DEFRA manage all EU commercial fishermen it will not be possible for them to provide anglers with more and larger fish

 

When the Lisbon Treaty is ratified the situation will get worst because that Treaty confers the right to manage UK fisheries on the EU Commission and DEFRA will have no say whatsoever on how our (UK) fsheries are managed

 

It is not possible for DEFRA to provide more or larger fish

 

I think Leon rights watch out for the red herring

 

steve

 

 

Steve there is one way that DEFRA can deliver more and bigger fish. That is to stop commercial fishing or at least to significantly reduce surrent efforts.

 

Now dont go getting all carried away with yourself as I arent suggesting this should happen. The inshore fisheries working group tried to make something happen with their Golden mile. The dabate on how effective that would be could go on forever.However it aint going to happen as you will be aware Steve no way will the NFFO let that come into reality.

 

So anyone thinking they are going to get more and bigger fish from a licence or parts of the RSA strategy really needs to wake up to the reality - and quick.

[Leon Roskilly]

The inshore fisheries group have delivered nothing. You should be honest and just admit that the inshore fisheries working group has failed in all its objectives.

 

The Inshore Fisheries Group has only really just got started, as has the Recreational Sea Angling Strategy Working Group within the IFG.

 

Once the consultation has ended, DEFRA will analyse the responses, modify the RSA strategy 'taking into account' the feedback they recieve, then start to work out how and when to deliver the detail of the initial strategy, using the RSA strategy working group as a 'stakeholder consultative', as well as further public consultations on detailed proposals.

 

It's far too early to say that they have 'failed', the process is only just beginning.

 

There is still one helluva lot of water to pass under the bridge yet.

 

Hopefully RSA will have a team in place, playing a part to ensure that the best possible deal is won for Recreational Sea Anglers, at all stages of the unfolding process.

Edited February 3, 2008 by Leon Roskilly

[barry luxton]

Hi All

 

Just a small point,

 

Anglers say no to licences unless DEFRA provide more and larger fish, how can DEFRA possibly do that.

 

Most fish spend some of the year in inshores water and the rest of the year offshore

 

All EU commercial fishermen catch these fish at some time of year

 

Most of these fisheries are managed by the EU commission

 

Unless DEFRA manage all EU commercial fishermen it will not be possible for them to provide anglers with more and larger fish

 

When the Lisbon Treaty is ratified the situation will get worst because that Treaty confers the right to manage UK fisheries on the EU Commission and DEFRA will have no say whatsoever on how our (UK) fsheries are managed

 

It is not possible for DEFRA to provide more or larger fish

 

I think Leon rights watch out for the red herring

 

steve

 

 

Ahh, so we can quite easily state the lisbon treaty within our reply to the stategy as the reason why defra's aim to provide more and bigger fish won't happen. That was i think one of the only benifits that was put forward by defra for the rsa in the first place. Bit of a waste of time then.

 

Do you know what has happend to the run of cod at the top end of the channel this year then Steve, has it been taken by the eu fleet.

Edited February 3, 2008 by barry luxton

[big_cod]

Perhaps we should start working out the difference between the cod catch of NE charter boats and the under ten fleet in that area if you want to discuss amounts of fish taken from a fishery.

 

So peter that statement is typical from a commercil fishermen remember peter our main target fish is cod we cant put 2000 potts in like some boats do, we cant shoot sole nets like some boats do , we cant go prawning like some boats do, we cant go salmon fishing like some boats do you want to do put the hooking lot of out of buisness and if you somehow hadnt forgot we have 0 discards whern we are fishing for cod.

Edited February 3, 2008 by big_cod

[Guest challenge]

Perhaps we should start working out the difference between the cod catch of NE charter boats and the under ten fleet in that area if you want to discuss amounts of fish taken from a fishery.

So peter that statement is typical from a commercil fishermen remember peter our main target fish is cod we cant put 2000 potts in like some boats do, we cant shoot sole nets like some boats do , we cant go prawning like some boats do, we cant go salmon fishing like some boats do you want to do put the hooking lot of out of buisness and if you somehow hadnt forgot we have 0 discards whern we are fishing for cod.

Paul.

What is there to stop you putting 2000 pots in the sea?

What is there to stop you fishing for souls or cod come to that?

Commercial fishermen have to be accountable for everything they catch. Are you and your anglers?

Rsa catch more cod from Whitby than the under ten meter boats do.

Don’t go down that path Paul because it is the last place you want to go in your campaign to stop legislation being enforced on the rsa industry.

Regards.

[hastfish]

Being a commercial fisherman that goes angling i thought i should say a few things in this forum.ive seen in a few threads that the lack of fish,size of fish and certain species all seems to be the blame of the fishing industry, no mention of global warming,pollution. the liscence has enflamed quite a lot of you and started to divide you and that the reason for it is to help the industry.A few other fisherman have told you their opinions on that and certain facts n figures and the reaction was to dig at them. there facts are right,with out the fishing ind there would be even less fish the eu would just send a couple of super trawlers and mop up right to the shore.being a under 10m from HASTINGS we dont have it as rosy as some seem to think,quotas are hurting when we know there is fish there so do you look at your press.Unite or not i dont know but do you really know were you are heading, bag limits,courses before you can go to sea,boat inspections,ect, ect we have to. all we ask in the ind is a fair wage to be earnt and why should we leave jobs we enjoy and have invested in.also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men we know how a lot of you think of us but sniping at us because we stand together for our community dont help remmember united we stand.do something now or stand mumbling down the beach and loose it all we are not ther to take the last fish were is the future in that.but dont slag us all of you may just need some help in the future.Being a commercial fisherman that goes angling i thought i should say a few things in this forum.ive seen in a few threads that the lack of fish,size of fish and certain species all seems to be the blame of the fishing industry, no mention of global warming,pollution. the liscence has enflamed quite a lot of you and started to divide you and that the reason for it is to help the industry.A few other fisherman have told you their opinions on that and certain facts n figures and the reaction was to dig at them. there facts are right,with out the fishing ind there would be even less fish the eu would just send a couple of super trawlers and mop up right to the shore.being a under 10m from HASTINGS we dont have it as rosy as some seem to think,quotas are hurting when we know there is fish there so do you look at your press.Unite or not i dont know but do you really know were you are heading, bag limits,courses before you can go to sea,boat inspections,ect, ect we have to. all we ask in the ind is a fair wage to be earnt and why should we leave jobs we enjoy and have invested in.also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men we know how a lot of you think of us but sniping at us because we stand together for our community dont help remmember united we stand.do something now or stand mumbling down the beach and loose it all we are not ther to take the last fish were is the future in that.but dont slag us all of you may just need some help in the future.

[H.A.]

also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men we know how a lot of you think of us but sniping at us because we stand together for our community dont help remmember united we stand.

 

 

Sorry 'Hasty', but I found what you have written hard to follow.

 

I think I understand what you are saying, but you are hardly entering the debate from a position of credulity:

 

Two East Sussex fishermen who were fined for exceeding their monthly cod quotas have failed in their appeal bid.

Paul Joy and Graeme Bossom, both from Hastings, had argued that their small boats - under 10m (32.8ft) - should mean exemption from keeping records. European record-keeping laws did not apply to their boats and so it was discriminatory for British authorities to require logbooks, they argued. But three judges rejected the appeal against their conviction on Thursday. The court also refused the men permission to appeal against fines they were given at Lewes Crown Court in January last year.

Joy, of Road in Hastings, was fined £4,996, while Bossom, of Road in the town, was ordered to pay £4,074. Both men also had £2,500 costs imposed on them. The pair make their living from inshore fishing in boats launched off the beach at Hastings. Lord Justice Gage, sitting with Mr Justice Forbes and Mrs Justice Cox in the Court of Appeal, said the size of their boats did not "bestow a right on the owners... to fish entirely without regard to the amount of their catch".

 

If you know there are rules to be followed. I suggest you do just that.

 

Anyway,

also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men

, you appear to have got it about face .... sort of robbing the poor (me) to feed the rich.

 

Edited February 3, 2008 by H.A.

[steve good]

Being a commercial fisherman that goes angling i thought i should say a few things in this forum.ive seen in a few threads that the lack of fish,size of fish and certain species all seems to be the blame of the fishing industry, no mention of global warming,pollution. the liscence has enflamed quite a lot of you and started to divide you and that the reason for it is to help the industry.A few other fisherman have told you their opinions on that and certain facts n figures and the reaction was to dig at them. there facts are right,with out the fishing ind there would be even less fish the eu would just send a couple of super trawlers and mop up right to the shore.being a under 10m from HASTINGS we dont have it as rosy as some seem to think,quotas are hurting when we know there is fish there so do you look at your press.Unite or not i dont know but do you really know were you are heading, bag limits,courses before you can go to sea,boat inspections,ect, ect we have to. all we ask in the ind is a fair wage to be earnt and why should we leave jobs we enjoy and have invested in.also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men we know how a lot of you think of us but sniping at us because we stand together for our community dont help remmember united we stand.do something now or stand mumbling down the beach and loose it all we are not ther to take the last fish were is the future in that.but dont slag us all of you may just need some help in the future.Being a commercial fisherman that goes angling i thought i should say a few things in this forum.ive seen in a few threads that the lack of fish,size of fish and certain species all seems to be the blame of the fishing industry, no mention of global warming,pollution. the liscence has enflamed quite a lot of you and started to divide you and that the reason for it is to help the industry.A few other fisherman have told you their opinions on that and certain facts n figures and the reaction was to dig at them. there facts are right,with out the fishing ind there would be even less fish the eu would just send a couple of super trawlers and mop up right to the shore.being a under 10m from HASTINGS we dont have it as rosy as some seem to think,quotas are hurting when we know there is fish there so do you look at your press.Unite or not i dont know but do you really know were you are heading, bag limits,courses before you can go to sea,boat inspections,ect, ect we have to. all we ask in the ind is a fair wage to be earnt and why should we leave jobs we enjoy and have invested in.also being one of mr p.joy,s merry men we know how a lot of you think of us but sniping at us because we stand together for our community dont help remmember united we stand.do something now or stand mumbling down the beach and loose it all we are not ther to take the last fish were is the future in that.but dont slag us all of you may just need some help in the future.

 

 

Hi Hastfish, welcome

 

I think I have been drinking to much or I am just having a ground hog day HA HA HA lol

 

Steve

 

ps Sorry I forgot to say quick duck lol lol lol

Edited February 3, 2008 by steve good

[wurzel]

Perhaps we should start working out the difference between the cod catch of NE charter boats and the under ten fleet in that area if you want to discuss amounts of fish taken from a fishery.

So peter that statement is typical from a commercil fishermen remember peter our main target fish is cod we cant put 2000 potts in like some boats do, we cant shoot sole nets like some boats do , we cant go prawning like some boats do, we cant go salmon fishing like some boats do you want to do put the hooking lot of out of buisness and if you somehow hadnt forgot we have 0 discards whern we are fishing for cod.

 

It's not a typical statement from a commercial fisherman Paul.

 

But it will be if Leon had his way and being charged a lincence would be the least of your worries.

 

I also have 0 discards when I fish for cod nor do the handful of liners working in this area .

[wurzel]

I'm not sure exactly what the benifits or what can defra do that is good for the rsa, can you name any? If they left the rsa alone, they, defra would be doing them, rsa a favour. As said previous, it aint broke, why fix it. Defra have demonstrated to date absolutly nothing that they can give the rsa, or am i missing something.

 

 

But Barry Leon, HA, and other RSA reps are constantly telling them that it is broke in a big way and in desperate need to be fixed.