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#11 chesters1

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 11:05 AM

:bleh: Probably got a taste for barramundi now.  :bleh:


Now yabbie creek is just called creek lol

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 02:35 PM

bobj

 

"People were catching hundreds which is just ridiculous.  TRUE - 500 fishermen - would have to catch 300 fish in 9 hours.

 

Of course, the fish in the photo were not the result of "last years spawn".

 

The bottom-feeders are often referred to as the rabbits of the river because they rip up and damage native underwater vegetation, reducing water quality, and suitable breeding habitats for native fish.  NOT TRUE

 

It is true, Oz hates carp.  However the problems caused by carp are not the fault of the fish.  We too, in America, have similar problems.  Each year we deliver more than 10 million pounds of common carp to the catfood factories.  An equal number are just simply disposed of.

 

Properly managed common carp are the greatest "sport fish" in the world.

 

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 04:32 PM

When I fished the Murray basin for native Australian species, I had to try about twenty locations, as it was wall to wall carp almost everywhere, I did locate and catch some callop and trout-cod, but the famous Murray Cod had been crowded out from its previous haunts,  Met a few local anglers who were pretty livid at the way their fishery had gone.

 

Received some Australian advice,  "Put the f**** carp back mate, but be sure to cut their throats first -  good feed for the yabbies"

 

Catching a carp a chuck everywhere I fished would soon put me off fishing




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Posted 07 April 2017 - 06:51 PM

bobj

 

"People were catching hundreds which is just ridiculous.  TRUE - 500 fishermen - would have to catch 300 fish in 9 hours.

 

Of course, the fish in the photo were not the result of "last years spawn".

 

The bottom-feeders are often referred to as the rabbits of the river because they rip up and damage native underwater vegetation, reducing water quality, and suitable breeding habitats for native fish.  NOT TRUE

 

It is true, Oz hates carp.  However the problems caused by carp are not the fault of the fish.  We too, in America, have similar problems.  Each year we deliver more than 10 million pounds of common carp to the catfood factories.  An equal number are just simply disposed of.

 

Properly managed common carp are the greatest "sport fish" in the world.

 

Phone

 

The Barwon River in western NSW was navigable to 40 ft paddle steamers up as far as a small town called Mungindi (pr. MunginDIE) when the sheep cockies would transport the fleeces down the river for sale in  Indeed, when I first went to Collarenerbri, some 50 miles south of Mungindi, the river was clear, almost drinkable. That was in 1964. Now, the river is a series of mud wallows, all proven to be caused by the european carp. For better than a century, the Barwon was used as a river of trade, even though it is one of the 'seasonal' rivers, getting the most water from the seasonal rains, as it has done for perhaps a few thousand years.

The carp is a declared noxious pest in a couple of States. Also, the redfin is a declared pest in South Australia,





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Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:44 PM

We can send some wells cats ,lots of mink and more foxes if you want ,will chuck in mitten crabs and signal crayfish as a freeby ,otters?

Edited by chesters1, 07 April 2017 - 08:45 PM.

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness  it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

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Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:14 PM

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I've had this discussion many times - I always loose.  I'll say it once.

 

Since their release into Australian waterways back in the 19th and 20th centuries, the existence and management (or perhaps mismanagement) of European carp on mainland Australia has become a highly sensitive issue.

 

Your inland waterways suffer from the same problems ours in America do, excessive irrigation, damming, the clearing of land, pollution, and the de-snagging of rivers.  Carp do not make chitty water, they simply survive in chitty water. Had the rivers remained healthy, Murray cod would have kept carp numbers under some sort of control. It's just easier to blame the fish.

 

Regardless of your stance on carp, carp must be killed, with the carcass disposed of in an appropriate manner.  This should be done as quickly and humanely as possible.  Australia needs to face a problem caused by Australians and do whatever it takes.  (How's the rabbit thing going)  

 

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:43 PM

Unlike in the good old U.S. of A where it's more an environmental problem.

 

Try google earth. You can spot the ponds with a high carp stocking density. I'd say that was an environmental problem!


Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullen's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullen's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:23 AM

Kens not wrong, I remember seeing an arial photo of a fishery in the U.K. that had 4 similar sized lakes and three of them (which had Carp in them) were a muddy clouded colour, and the fourth lake which didn't contain any Carp at all but had a healthy stock of other species was completely unclouded.
NB: Bronze Bream can also cloud up a water.

Although I do enjoy catching Carp occasionally I can see where these Australian anglers get their ideas from especially on slow or enclosed waters.

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Edited by BoldBear, 08 April 2017 - 08:34 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:20 PM

A bit Harsh John - Fact is, in the UK Carp, & Carp fisheries pay wages & help with the economy!! (Local & National)

 

Unlike in the good old U.S. of A where it's more an environmental problem.

 

Added to that - Many Anglers over here can get a buzz without too much effort!!

 

My fishing club of around 28 members has a good few over the age of 80!!

 

:wheelchair: & very competitive they are too, popping up in the prize money often enough!!

 

I'm talking with 130 odd Lb here sometimes!!

 

Must be the Elastic then  :fishing:

 

286 Lb odd (in 5 keep nets) is the club record, but that was a member same age as me (60) -  we went to the same school as kids.

 

He caught just under 1,000 Lb over 15 matches last season & almost swept the board re Trophies.

 

 

 

 Not harsh at all Martin, I fail to see a reason for these over stocked waters, (I can't bring myself to call them fisheries), other than profit and ego. I did fish a couple of them when they first came about, and couldn't understand how anyone could enjoy catching like that. Almost guaranteeing  catches with many, many recaptures. I couldn't understand how people who boasted that they were the "Guardians of the waterways", and that "fish care was upper most", could even agree with the concept of vastly over stocked waters. I have been offered free fishing on one complex, with a free bait, and even a free meal thrown in, I refused. As Ken said, the impact on the environment spreads much wider than the waters themselves. The siting of these waters, combined with the volume of stock, almost guarantees that there will be escapees into surrounding water courses.

 The idea of making catching easier just for the pleasure of anglers, goes against everything I believe in with regard to angling.

 

 I could go on and on, (and long term members will testify that I have on many occasions), but I will leave it for now, because I think you will have got the gist of my feelings.

 

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 11:01 AM

Come on Australia, you've been looking for a biological control mechanism for the eradication of carp for 20 years and no joy yet.

Make it happen, exterminate the water pigs - and then let us have some.

It'd be nice if the country's lowland pools and lakes returned to something approaching their natural state.


Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullen's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullen's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
Species caught in 2010: Barramundi. Giant Trevelly. Moray eel. Indian sea catfish. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Humpback Mahseer. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Bass. Pike. 
Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.