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#11 Vagabond

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:33 PM

As a general rule, cross between two species = hybrid

 

Cross between two strains of the same species = mongrel (as in dog breeds)

 

Having said that, i misused "mongrel" in #5 !

 

....and nobody is to start pontificating on what constitutes a species  :crazy:




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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:47 PM

You have to be careful when talking about "hybrids" - the term is used for both interspecies hybrids, as we're discussing here, and crosses between different strains of the same species. Those different strains of carp are all Cyprinus carpio. When you buy F1 hybrid seeds from the garden store, both parents are the same species of plant, they're just different varieties of it. When they stock "F1s" in godforsaken British carp puddles, they're stocking a cross between a common carp and a crucian carp or brown goldfish. We're talking the difference between a cross of two different breeds of horse, and a mule.

Sexist beast dont forget hinnies or hinnys?!?

Hmm is it male crucian mating with female goldfish an F1 or is a male goldfish and female crucian a nascar?

Edited by chesters1, 16 October 2017 - 03:54 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:41 PM

All,

 

Thanks Steve, yes, the exact reason I put "hybrid" instead of hybrid.  I still believe searching "FAO hybrid zone"  (with species of interest tagged at the end) is the proper source.

 

At the risk of appearing pedantic here is everything you're likely to ever want to know about "carp" 

http://www.fao.org/f...rinus_carpio/en

 

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PS: I still cannot remember the proper word for "hybrid zone" fishes ?????



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:08 AM

All,

 

Ha ha , I'm back with this gem.  The internet is an amazing mish-mash isn't it.

 

Who in heaven's name would ever need this?

 

http://currents.plos...of-bony-fishes/

 

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:16 AM

All,
 
Ha ha , I'm back with this gem.  The internet is an amazing mish-mash isn't it.
 
Who in heaven's name would ever need this?
 
http://currents.plos...of-bony-fishes/
 
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No good to me my two braincells can just about use the link !whats in it is nothing to do with sprouts or anything at village idiot level

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

Chesters1,

 

I am far closer to the village idiot that you.  I've no clue what they are going on about.  BUT I read parts of it twice, the results were the same both times.

 

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:10 PM

I take great pride in my village idiot status ,i will except you can be a stetson wearing american version though as your no competition to my village ,chawn fine but no mention of grits please !
OH on searching to make sure chawn seems to be different today to the 50's cowboy book where it was chewing tobacco!?!

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness  it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Whitby scallops caught by scottish boats best that money can buy,the nearer the shore they're dredged the better they taste