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#1 Andrew

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Posted 26 April 2018 - 08:15 AM

I have 10lb braided mainline on my spool for my forthcoming trip to Eire for bream and hybrid angling.

 

What would be the best line in  poundage for a shock leader please. I would usually use maybe 4 or 5 pound. Would that be to weak for braided line shocker ?

 

 


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Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:35 AM

What size of lead will you be casting, and how hard? Sea anglers usually reckon on 10lb/oz, but that's based on power casting. I'm happy to lob a method feeder weight two or three ounces on 8lb main line, but that's a gentle lob.



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:36 PM

Sorry its coarse angling  :doh: suggested cage feeder is betwixt 30 to 50gr for distance feeder.

 

No heavy casting, left that on the beach years ago, hahahaha, for pendulum casting i always used a 60lb+ shocker


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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:52 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

Well, I guess the question is really "how light do you need to go?" Assuming you're going to be able to go to a lighter hooklength if presentation is an issue, why not go 10lb?



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:56 PM

size 12to 14 hook, max 5lb hook length, i would say yes to 10lb for the distance, maybe a gentle lob ;)  to about 80 yards.

I don't think the slabs will be fussy if they start to feed, the bream/roach hybrids will most certainly not be fussy, greedy buggers. :D  


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Posted 26 April 2018 - 07:55 PM

Why use a shock leader at all?
If you feel that there is a possibility of overloading the mainline on the cast, just up the mainline a bit.
A rubbing leader is a different deal but the need for that will be dependent on bottom composition, rigs etc.

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Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:14 PM

A length of mono will add a bit of stretch to the setup though.

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Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:20 PM

Shouldn't need a leader for that casting weight, I've cast 50-65g feeders/weights well in excess of 80yds on 8lb straight through.

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Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:33 PM

Shouldn't need a leader for that casting weight, I've cast 50-65g feeders/weights well in excess of 80yds on 8lb straight through.

Well said Si - you don't "Compress" a fresh water rod on the cast, anywhere near as much as one would using a "Beach Caster".

 

The softer action on a FW rod takes up most of the shock.


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Posted 27 April 2018 - 08:14 AM

Yep. Though I expect some of the carp boys chucking big leads 150 yards are using variants of beachcasting "power casts". For most coarse fishing the overhead thump does it.

 

For what it's worth, I was fishing 2oz on 10lb line on the estuary the other day. I fished it with my beach gear earlier in the week, which allows me to cover most of the width of the estuary, but found that the fish were close in. So I got the coarse rods out. Much nicer for a short cast, better bite detection and a bit of a fight from the flatties! The beach rods have 35lb braid to a tapered 60lb mono leader so they'll chuck 6oz a long way, but it was just overkill for close in at slack water.