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Untreated Maize - a disservice to fish?


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For people, maize can be a good food source but without a simple treatment (nixtamalization) much of the food value is not available to us.

 

For some fish species maize is an effective bait but I wonder if it also lacks food value it should have for them if treated properly before being used as bait.

 

https://www.seleneriverpress.com/corn-cornmeal-primer-nixtamalization-must-read/

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Hi Newt ,someone long ago worked out how much sugar in groundbait was thrown in at a national championship ,the result was eye opening.

Whilst we dont use as much maize as you probably do i have seen piles of rotting boilies festering in lakes .

Unfortunately a great deal of harm is done without thinking in angling and in every step of life

One revalation was thousands of birds were dieing because of some mould in peanuts ,either that was true or meant you paid more for 'special' mould free peanuts i dont know (nor how they knew birds were dieing either?)

 

As for maize you only have to inspect your own poop to see how much isnt digested after eating the stuff ,fish probably dont have as good digestive system as humans since we can eat almost anything

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As for maize you only have to inspect your own poop to see how much isnt digested after eating the stuff ,fish probably dont have as good digestive system as humans since we can eat almost anything

 

Many food items pass through fish, and are eaten again, either by the same fish or others, (a kind of self perpetuating groundbait).

 

Sweetcorn is the most used form of maize over here, and it's usually prepared for human consumption, either tinned or frozen. I assume that it's been processed for ease of digestion, because of that.

 

John.

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Nice to see you posting Newt.

We don't use a lot of maize over here but I recall checking into the process after reading (I think) one of you pack-bait articles.

Interesting stuff.

Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Sweet corn (people food) for us is very different from hard/dent corn (maize) used as animal fodder or ground (cornmeal) and used as a flour for making a number of dishes such as corn tortillas, tamales, pupusas, and many others. Probably more common in Mexico/Latin America than is wheat flour and is called "masa". I fished some with sweet corn but really preferred hominy which is dried maize treated with alkali solution (nixtamalized).

 

I can't be sure it is better digested by fish but I suspect it is.

 

Chesters - aflatoxin, a toxin produced by certain strains of the mold Aspergillus flavus grows on peanuts that are improperly stored. It will make people and fish very sick and often, very dead.

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All,

 

Newt is from "corn pops" country. Digestion of corn in carp is very sensitive to water temperature. Carp will establish a granary for later consumption or re-consumption

 

Chesters1,

 

I always suspected you were an evacuation enzymologist.

 

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All,

 

Newt is from "corn pops" country. Digestion of corn in carp is very sensitive to water temperature. Carp will establish a granary for later consumption or re-consumption

 

Chesters1,

 

I always suspected you were an evacuation enzymologist.

 

Phone

Yup talking crap is my favourite pastime as taking carp used to be! Edited by chesters1

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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  • 2 weeks later...

Having just read this thread , I thought I would make a rare comment, a few weeks ago I bought Maze from a seed wholesaler which was £7.50 plus vat for 20 kilo a cheep bait.

I also buy from shops tins and frozen Sweet corn a great bait.

 

I have caught Barbel ,Roach, Rudd ect and a lot of other silver fish on corn. BUT the strangest fish to be caught was a 1lb 8oz Zander on about 11 pieces of grain reeling in :) on a long hair rig, it must of looked like an eadiable fish :)

 

Final point maybe I have been walking my dog over the local fields and a bag of Wheat/Corn seeds have been left lose and getting wet. the local chickens eat them seeds so why not fish. ???

 

Not quite final point :) told you. :) I now have a lot of cooked Corn and Hemp in the freezer because I bought seed from the seed merchant a whole lot cheaper than from any local shop??? Make's one think of the margin the fishing tackle shops are making. (just a ponder)

 

Tight Lines as always, on Corn :) one of the cheapest baits out there.

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mdg,

 

And, on this side of the pond, one of the most effective. Thanks for showing up again. Toward the end of my regular fishing day I even went to artificial corn. Talk about cheap!! - 10 fish to the kernel. The artificial stuff is buoyant and you can easily control the depth you want to fish.

 

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PS: Them English chickens have gizzards for munching corn.

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