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#11 Sportsman

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 07:38 AM

Thanks again for the ideas.I have noticed at this venue that the carp boys using pellets/boilies seldom, if ever, catch bream.

I fish for the bream using a standard groundbait feeder approach with worm maggot or sweetcorn hookbaits and seldom, if ever, catch carp. The problem is that the bream I catch run from 8oz skimmers to 5lb plus. Nice fishing and I enjoy it, but I am looking to target the bigger fish that I know exist in the lake. Wingham was a special case with very low stock density of very large fish so if they caught a bream it was likely to be a good one.

The idea of spombing out a bed of particles and fishing say a bomb rather than a feeder and using artificials is an interesting one that I have tried on carp, but have never really had much faith in, maybe I should try it again.

There are also sturgeon in the lake, as I discovered when I tried using 10mm halibut pellet over a bed of pellets. The problem is standard feeder gear doesn't give you much chance of landing them. Maybe a more carp orientated technique with light carp gear is more appropriate.

The lake is a 7 acre day ticket water that doesn't get fished much, often I am the only one fishing and I am, as far as I know, the only one fishing for bream.

Phone, I live in the land of big carp specialist lakes and to be honest have been there and done that. With a PB approaching 50lb (caught, I might add, on a single piece of maize on the hook) I am not as interested as I once was. I am quite enjoying the dink fishing. I just wish that the dinks were a little bigger now and again.


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 09:00 AM

Hi Dave, I'm no expert on the big bream of today, having only had the one approaching double figures, a 7 lb+ fish was very big back in the day. Avoiding the carp may be a problem, in my experience they will take anything, it's no coincidence that carp is an anagram of crap.

 The only advise I can give is how I would approach the water. I would try and avoid the areas where the carp anglers fish, if possible. Try to find the 'patrol' areas of the bream, in order to 'ambush' the shoal. Spend a day plumbing the area, to find features to fish to. Fish into dark if allowed. Watch for signs of bream rolling, especially in the evening, prior to going down to feed. I wouldn't worry too much about strength of tackle, if it's not fished that much, but not go overboard either way. For groundbait/carrier I would use a plain crumb base, with maybe a few drops of vanilla essence, which I've found bream seem to like. I've never found that bream and hemp go together, but tares, sweetcorn, mung beans, and casters, (if you can get them), added to the groundbait, has helped me in the past. I would avoid pellet, and meat initially, and fish with a combination bait, worm and caster has proved effective, if there are only a few eels in the water. Bread flake and sweetcorn is another that worked for me. You might have to fish through the 'small' 5/6lbers, to get the double figure ones, but it would be worth it in the end.

 

As to the "big baits only catch big fish" myth, try telling that to the hundreds of gudgeon, 3oz roach, chub, perch, carp etc that I've caught using various baits on a size 4 and 2. I will add that those sizes might be considered small to our transatlantic friends.

 

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:46 PM

John

Thanks, I would love to use casters but just can't get them here. Maybe you could send me the occasional Red Cross parcel.

My most successful baits for the "normal" bream have been worm tipped with maggot and hair rigged maize, rather than sweetcorn.

I fish the worm hair rigged with a quickstop and two or three maggots on the hook


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:26 PM

I would that obtaining enough maggots to get a worthwhile yield of casters is difficult or expensive?

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:26 PM

Personally i wouldn't be worrying about baits that much . I think they will eat fairly much anything regardless what size they are. The hard bit as i see it is finding where in the lake they are feeding. Chances are they are in a small nomadic shoal of around 10 fish. try targetting smaller clear areas rather than big open areas a huge shoal might feed. Although i found they don't like feeding in dense weed weed or cover they do like it close by. 


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Posted 26 September 2018 - 05:34 PM

All,

 

We've all caught the odd fish with the "wrong" tactic or bait.  Gozzer, on this side of the penny #4 = average and #2 = equal slightly larger than average.  Pretty much regardless of bait I fish #1  or #1/0 hooks.  Looking back, the major downside to our use of larger hooks is actually the number of fish we foul hook.  Larger hooks take their toll on stocks.

 

I think it is quite easy to overlook the second part of my statement - "and fewer fish" especially true with English fishermen.  There are fewer and fewer specimen hunters today than yesteryear.  Occasionally angling for "known" fish but truly searching the the wild specimen is an art of the past.

 

My specimen hunting years were pretty short lived.  I found much more pleasure in a few fish.  Unless you've done both of course your PB's will be on small baits - if that's all you fish.

 

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Posted 27 September 2018 - 01:34 AM

John

Thanks, I would love to use casters but just can't get them here. Maybe you could send me the occasional Red Cross parcel.

My most successful baits for the "normal" bream have been worm tipped with maggot and hair rigged maize, rather than sweetcorn.

I fish the worm hair rigged with a quickstop and two or three maggots on the hook

The Robin Red Drilled 8 mm hard Pellets take Bream & Carp on commie lakes, so no reason for them not to take Bream where you are!!


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Posted 27 September 2018 - 08:48 AM

The Robin Red Drilled 8 mm hard Pellets take Bream & Carp on commie lakes, so no reason for them not to take Bream where you are!!

Thanks Martin, but the pellets seem to attract the carp more than the more natural baits


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