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#1 Ken L

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:30 AM

Everything you do on-line is recorded, tracked and stored.

Things you do and say as a teenager could potentially haunt you for decades and corporations are now in a position to unperson you if you express views that conflict with their political stance.

 

Is it now time to guarantee free speech within the digital domain - subject only to current laws on inciting violence?

 

Is it time to restrict the sharing of information by tech companies?
 


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 11:08 AM

I think there is only one jurisdiction with the power and will to impose such a thing - and (a) their track record on doing so successfully is not good and (b ) we're in the process of leaving it.


Edited by Steve Walker, 06 December 2018 - 11:08 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

All,

 

I fail to see a problem.  Other than size and scope it is what we've always called society.

 

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:18 PM

The right to freedom of expression, I am very much in favour of. The right to the freedom from the consequences of expressing oneself, not so bothered about.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:31 PM

I think there is only one jurisdiction with the power and will to impose such a thing - and (a) their track record on doing so successfully is not good and (b ) we're in the process of leaving it.

Would that be the EU?
The same EU whose highest legal authority (The European Court of Human Rights) recently ruled that "free speech" does not extend to calling Mohammed a paedophile, even though he married a 6 year old and consummated that union when his child bride was 9?
Would that be the same EU that is working with tech giants to crack down on so called "hate speech" - even when no such thing has ever been defined in law?
Would that be the same EU that is imposing massive restrictions on internet content creators with article 13?

You'll forgive me if I have little faith there.

Edited by Ken L, 06 December 2018 - 09:33 PM.

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Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima.  Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.
Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.
Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. 
Species caught in 2014: Striped catfish. Pacu. Giant gourami. Clown knife fish. Rohu. Siamese carp. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Roach. Bream. Perch. Rainbow trout. Chub. Common Carp, Ide. Brown Trout. Barbel. Mekong catfish. Jullien's golden carp. Alligator gar. Java barb.
Species caught in 2013: Mangrove Jack. Barramundi. Blubberlip snapper. Baracouda. Malabar grouper. Yellowfin Trevally. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Roach. Pike. European Eel. Bleak.
Species caught in 2012: Northern whiting. Moray eel. Barramundi. Snakehead murrel. Silver razorbelly minnow. Deccan Mahseer. Malabar mystus. Deccan rita. Spotted Malabar Grouper. Mangrove Jack. Indian sea catfish. Brown Trout. Chub. Perch. Roach. Rudd.
Species caught in 2011: Indian sea catfish. Sardine. Barramundi. Mangrove Jack. Deccan Mahseer. Record Humpbacked Mahseer. Yellow Fin Trevelly. Giant Trevelly. Chub. Brown Trout. Perch. Pike. Atlantic salmon. Dace. Minnow. Roach. Gudgeon. 
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Species caught in 2009: Chub. Perch. Pike. Pacu. Thai Striped Catfish. 
Species caught in 2008: Barramundi. p-i-k-e-y sea bream. Indian sea catfish. Guitarfish. Mangrove Jack. Mahseer. Squid (Not strictly a fish but it took a lure !). Emperor Sweetlip. Black Spot Snapper. Moray eel. Spangled Emperor. Bluecheek silver grunt. Yellow striped emperor. Vanikoro sweeper. Pike. Perch. Brown trout. Chub. Atlantic salmon.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:22 AM

The tradition is when you introduce a law that doesnt exist its used! And its used a lot
Look at how many arrests have been made under the public order act and the thousands of new offences under the terroism laws!
Common law gives enough powers to arrest for any offence but new ones pop up every day and the police will use them even if they dont apply ,try having a few cans of beans in your cupboard and look suspicious or heckle the labour party and suddenly your a terrorist
This old guy i believe was the first to be arrested under labour raft of terror laws ,like most he was not one
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=qdojzc0J8ts
Laws are made to subjugate the weak and poor whilst the rich and powerful ignore them ,the old guy was abused whilst harming no-one blair and his cronies lived off the fat of the land telling lies that harmed millions
The amusing thing is now with him being jewish and the raft of new anti everything laws half the thugs would be arrested for racism and the others for ageism lol

Edited by chesters1, 07 December 2018 - 08:38 AM.

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness  it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:49 AM

Would that be the EU?
The same EU whose highest legal authority (The European Court of Human Rights) recently ruled that "free speech" does not extend to calling Mohammed a paedophile, even though he married a 6 year old and consummated that union when his child bride was 9?
Would that be the same EU that is working with tech giants to crack down on so called "hate speech" - even when no such thing has ever been defined in law?
Would that be the same EU that is imposing massive restrictions on internet content creators with article 13?

You'll forgive me if I have little faith there.

 

Yep, the same EU that enforces the right to be forgotten, that routinely sticks the boot into US tech companies and is currently busy over-regulating the enforcement of copyright on the internet in a manner which is likely to cause considerable difficulty. They have a track record of having both the power and the will to poke their nose into online behaviour and to attack (American) tech companies at every opportunity.

 

Most nation states lack the power to do what you suggest.

 

The US lacks the will.

 

The EU is the only body I can think of which is both willing and able to do what you suggest.

 

(By the way, the ECHR which made the decision on Austria's policy on defaming Mohammed is not the highest legal authority of the EU, it's not even part of the EU)



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Posted 08 December 2018 - 12:32 PM

If you have done wrong why should the EU force the WWW to expunge that wrong ?

Pedophile mr EU tell the www to remove all traces of my 10 cases of kiddy fiddling its harming my chances of getting more ,my rights are being harmed you know!
I realise a great deal isnt true and harmful but its being introduced so those in power can falsify history ,creeping censorship which will come to the point everything will need to ok of the mandarins to be put out on the web
What next blair and bush didnt start the second iraq wars using lies aided and abetted by the media and military? ,we should have been pointed to the 6 day war to see both america and britain having no qualms falsifying "evidence" to further agendas

How would this bill of rights be interpreted ,unlawfull if if doing X is mentioned as an offence ? Or doing X is lawful only if its mentioned as not an offence?
Common law is fine but getting statute law involved will most probably make everything you do unlawful unless you get written permission first from ? Who??
99%+ have no inkling what laws about anything are anyway (lawyers have books that occasionly tell them) and not knowing no excuse in law so your buggered anyway lol

Edited by chesters1, 08 December 2018 - 12:59 PM.

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness  it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 01:05 PM

we kinda have a digital bill of rights but its not what you hope it is. it's more geared to screwing you over. the name of it escapes me at the moment.

 

the other one we have (IPB = investigatory powers bill) also designed to screw you over, can be contested by the EHCR and IS illegal. but meh, uk gov, snooping, etc, all a load of balls.


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Posted 08 December 2018 - 03:31 PM

All,

 

Just curious?  What makes anyone think they have a "right" rather than a "privilege" to digital matter.  It seems to me any "right" would be a universal privilege. Or, as Chesters1 says, common law.  That is to say, I cannot understand how it would be OK for the collective "you" and not OK for the collective "they" i.e. social media, banks, government, to have the same.  I agree with the principle Chesters1 is implying.  Common law vs Statute law.  Right now common law prevails, if you are harmed you have the right of recourse.  You are responsible for your own welfare.  Statute law is for lazy uninformed citizens.  We already have way to much stupid.  Why compound that precedent? 

You all know I am very liberal but even I have limits as to what I must assure you have.  And, I'm not sure I want to be responsible for your internet ignorance. I mean, food, shelter opportunities for work, health, social discrimination (and others) - are fundamentals to life.  I am responsible.

 

Please explain who "they" are?  Please explain what you want from the "collective ME" as a segregated social group that requires a statute?

 

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