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I hope the camera manufacturers are reading this . . . all they need to do is a cheap as chips, manual, no frills DSLR, and all the 'Photoholics' will be happy . . .
yeh . . . all the knobs and buttons, the more the merrier, dont want to use them of course . . . just for show you understand 
Now which banana tree did I get out of???SW
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All very well Steve, but how often can you get away with f8 as a standard setting on ISO100? 50% maybe? before the shutter speed gets two low for comfort, but then, you might be on a tripod, not many use tripods? (I agree ISO200 can be a more flexible option, one Nikon tend to embrace) Fifty percent is a figure out of the air, but I now that the camera does not select f8 in anything but brightest sunlight which is often not best conditions for photography? You are not wrong in your "use manual" if you are in the 'Photoholic, main hobby, many years experience mold', and single minded about what you do, thats great, more power to the elbow.
I am not so single minded, I have another life, and others to consider when out and about. I am satisfied how my camera generally selects settings, around my standard ISO200. If I have time in the shot, I do watch the setting information that is coming up along the bottom of the view finder, making changes on the selector wheel in 'P program' if required, watching the histogram can be useful. Aperture priority is often useful.
'Its the others' that I am concerned about, those that like me, have other things on our minds, lack experience, and therefor get it wrong, becoming disillusioned, pick up a few second hand bargains that way? A wast of a DSLR, no Steve, its using technology to ones advantage, with options like alternative glass, 'to taste'
What about those who have compacts and bridge cameras, not as good as a DSLR . . . ? (some are bl66dy brilliant IMHO) but thats as far as they 'want or can afford' to go. They used to like AN, friendly, no pressure like other sites, to move on, use manual!!! . . . its the only way . . . only way my a&3e!!! There is more than one way to skin a cat, and for those that do want to be a 'Photoholic', they can/have moved on, more power to their elbow.Surly we have to live and let live, help where help is needed, offer encouragement, suggesting 'XXXX is the only way', or 'thats a wast' is very unhelpful to those that cant, dont want to, or plain, dont understand, may I suggest a re think Steve. At a personal level Steve, the reason I keep things the way I do, and go long and slow about things. As I think you know (???) I have a form of dyslexia, it holds me back, takes me for ever sometimes to crack a 'simple' problem, I have to search for, sometimes invent 'my ways' to handle a task! Dyslexia it actually an official disability, I do my best, I feel for others, who, though not dyslexic, find 'technical' slow to grasp for what ever reason.
SW
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Just while the manual vs automatic debate has raised its head again...here's my insight into it.
Its mentioned above why use manual when you have payed for a camera with auto, one could reverse that question and ask "Why use auto when you have paid for manual too?"...read on
Auto is wysiwyg, it controls the camera and YOU, in manual mode YOU control everything including the camera. Auto will capture the scene in front of you using predetermined settings, in manual you get to choose those settings giving you a greater flexibility to control how the final photo looks. Nothing new in this, it was being done by photographers many many years before digital came about. If you use manual all the time its no fiddling around with controls changing settings, you become used to it and it take but a second to change from one setting to another...its a familiaraity thing.
Quote "Please, lets get away from this myth of, 'it must be manual and complicated to be good'" <--What myth?..Where? When? How is it complicated?
Its not coimplicated, set iso, set aperture, set shutter speed take shot...how the heck is that complicated? In fact one could go further and say set iso to 100 (sunny day) 200 (cloudy) 400 (dire day/night) then set aperture to f8, raise camera to shoot and in one fluid motion spin the shutter speed wheel to align with light meter..bingo take shot.. Leave iso and aperture set as is as you walk about..nice and simple that is!!
I put it too you that what you have gone through testing settings out for taking shots in jpeg is 10 times more complicated than shooting in manual...AND what you do to your jpegs is far more complicated than what I do to my RAW files...which is also not complicated...only if you let it be.
Shoot in manual for optimum camera and photo control, shoot in RAW mode for optimum photo quality and versatility. Anything less than that and your wasting your dslr.
It does not get simpler than this.!
Steve...
OK Steve, thats your view. I do things to suit the way I think. For me I got what I wanted when I did my menu adjustments. Not all on AN have the camera type or the desire to go into 'Photoholic complications mode', and those that did, I suspect, 'moved on' . . . ?
Me, perhaps I will be having a play with RAW, if I can get some enthusiasum, I have tried it, I know its good points. However the way things are going at the moment, its not worth my trouble
I need a long hard think . . . and a bit of inspiration, in the meantime, all will go on as befor??? 
SW
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Not sure I'm adding to what's already been said but I never really liked the themed ideas. I take my camera with me when I go out walking somewhere nice, or when I visit somewhere. I ocassionally grab a few shots in the garden - either of the birds, bees or flowers, but I wouldn't try to do the themed comps unless they fitted in with what I was doing anyway.
Since a fair few people are in favour of the 'photo art' type thing, why don't we start a new thread - perhaps run it for a month and vote before christmas <yikes, it's creeping up> ? I might even see if I can fit in a 'play' with some photo editing software....
Rob.
Mmm, interesting that Rob, I'm completely the other way round, have no interest in . . . 'playing with photos'
But 'a theme', a goal to achive. . . we all need a goal in life, something to aim for, otherwise it all gets a bit bland and pointless Just my view 
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Great picture Judy, well done I had it and the angel fish as 'neck and neck' in my book, but, as I'm a sucker for the sunrise . . .
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Perhaps a bit simplistic.
I used to do a lot of film photography. Since I bought a DSLR I find that a lot of my interest in photography has waned because it is now so simple. I feel that it is akin to cheating to allow edited shots when it is now so easy to take a good photograph (mind you I can still c@ck that up with a fully automatic DSLR
)That is not to say that I don't appreciate the quality of a well edited photo'. It's just that my 'spur of the moment' pictures always seem to be the best!
** . . . That is not to say that I don't appreciate the quality of a well edited photo'. It's just that my 'spur of the moment' pictures always seem to be the best!
** I do like the way you say one thing Worms . . . 'manual best'? . . . and then advocate something totally different, 'Auto'= quote; 'spur of the moment pictures' = simples
. . . in this case I totally agree . . . 
please read on . . .Why do things need to be complicated . . .
Never understood this one in photographic terms, the amount of times I've seen 'use manual', inferring, auto can't be any good??? There is a need to use some of the manual function on a modern camera on some occasions. However, things have got better, technology has improved, so make the best of it, you paid a lot of money for all that automation and customisation facility!!I was out at the weekend, my Nikon DSLR has the on-board 'menu/computer' customised so that I get a usable picture direct from the camera . . . with the camera set to 'auto P', center weighted metering and -0.7EV. I can select any of the semi auto options but find, when in 'walk about/wander mode', 'P' usually does fine. It leaves me free to observe, and be instantly ready to take that unexpected shot, no time to set anything! One invested a good few hours of trial and error customising the options available, time well spent. IMHO
So, to a large extent, one has removed the need for 'manual complications' for general photography. One does tinker on occasions, especially with EV, in strange light conditions, the histogram gives the clues on adjustment here. 'Compact cameras' which many of our potential members will be using have much of the customising don, with limited manual intervention avaliable anyway, I often use a compact, especialy when fishing and to good effect. Please, lets get away from this myth of, 'it must be manual and complicated to be good', it dont need to be . . . Enjoy the simplicity of picture taking
the complicated side will come 'if you want it'. As for post computer adjustment, one aimes for the simplest tweaks, no diferent to dark room procedure and tweaking as ever was. Stick to levels, colour curves, crop and sharpen, nothing added, nothing taken away, its still what you saw at the point of capture.
All this is in JPEG medium, start talking RAW; we are into 'comput'ography' . . . the world of the 'Photoholic Anorak', and a whole new ball game, dont want to go there on AN.
Just a personal opinion
SW
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I used to enjoy the monthly "Challenges"....why did we stop doing them? They were what got me inspired to go out and get a camera in the first place. It was fun to see what take each person had on the topic. Perhaps we could have, as Rob suggested, something informal? Post your pics on a thread and then have a poll vote at the end of each week/month? Not as a replacement for the monthly comp - just something to provide a bit of a challenge and maybe some inspiration for those who want/need it?
Perhaps AN isn't the place for it, but it's where I started, and it's where I intend to stay!
Janet
Janet, all this has hapened since we stoped the monthly 'themed picture challange', (or it certainly seems that way)? I agree with you, for me it was the 'spice' to get out and do something, I said it then, "a mistake to drop the theme", sorry if that sounds like 'I told you so . . . but I did'
whoops! Trouble is are we shutting the door after the horse has bolted?I certainly dont get out much with the camera these days, no reason to . . . its only since Hazel has taken a real interest that I bother . . . No one else I know is interested in photography . . . my falt I supose, we have a highly active quality camera club in Ipswich, I was invited to join last year.
Got the paper work sitting on my desk beside me now. Bit worried about Poldarks problem with upload, I thought it was 'simples'
SW
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Quote Poldark; "Luddite? yes I probably am one of those....I do fiddle with some of my pics, but for the comp I think simple cropping is all that should be allowed, even straightening horizons should not be allowed. Modern cameras work perfectly well on Auto, I would suggest that only allowing cropping would encourage entrants to improve their technique"
Cant agree entirely Den, it takes a lot of camera menu fiddling to get an acceptably consistent 'spot on'ish' picture from some cameras, I've seen the film, got the t-shirt on that one!
What you are suggesting is 'snapshot'ing' in my book, 'hit or miss'
. . . there needs to be an 'element' of Photography skill there, we need to draw in and encourage, snapshots will not hold interest for long? . . . jMHO 
Perhaps thats what we have witnessed and not realised it over the past year 'time to move on' . . . was the thought in individuals minds, quite a lot of individuals, and mostly the ones who had the experiance . . . Post a technical question on 'AN Photo section' and see what sort of response you get . . . post any sort of question and see the response????
SW
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Mmm, an interesting response
Quote Poldark: "Remember, this comp was set up on an angling website, and was meant as a bit of fun/interest to encourage us to post some of our pics, not to get seriously involved in "the art of photography" with all the so called fine tuning" . . . Nail on the head Den
Quote Worms: . . . . "getting better pictures comes from improving ones camera skills. If one isn't happy with the auto shots switch to manual and use it like a film SLR. It is after all a photography section of the forum and not a computer skills section" . . . ? Not quite sure if thats for or against? . . . cos manual just complicates the issue
. . . especially on some of the cameras that we use on the river bank?Not quite sure about the straight out of the camera bit either, the rules as they stand allow a little tweaking very much in the spirit of simple adjustments, including straighten the horizon, that were possible in the 'old fashioned dark room'
'dark room', whats one of them????? This type of adjustment is very simple on the computer, in 'levels', 'colour curves' and 'sharpening'. However the minuet we go into HDR, RAW and all the paraphernalia of PhotoShoping, its a whole different ball park, requiring a level of ability, time and dedication that is, I suspect, beyond what the enthusiastic 'photo-angler' wants?SW
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Afraid i would not be happy with allowing messed around with shots,in the comp how do we know what is original and what is doctored,call me a luddite if you like,I would not feel happy with my un doctored pics competing against the manipulated ones!
perhaps we need a seperate thread or comp where anything goes .
I'm with Judy here, not being able to tell whats what. There is the revers effect of course, those that prefer 'proper, old fashioned luddite style photography' might not bother . . . win a few loose a few more?
Me thinks revitalising has to be don another way, . . . what that might be, I ain't got a clue
(personal opinion of course) May be, every dog has its day . . . These are anglers that enjoy doing a bit of photography because of the circumstances they find them selves in, great scenery, sunrises, wild lif, etc. Its not a dedicated photo site, the dedicated anorak types have moved on may be?SW
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Perhaps alter the criteria slightly, to allow people to showcase shots they've taken in the past? Maybe allow some more image manipulation to take into account the current vogue for HDR shots?
Apologies if my suggestions are out of order or unworkable, but it really is time we gave the Photography Competition a swift kick up the backside! There are some excellent photograhers on this site, but they are conspicuous by their absence this month....
Janet
Wow Janet, HDR, thats going a bit OTT . . . . Tin hat time me thinks . . .
However I do agree with spicing things up a little, some how
SW
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What do you think is the best mono leader material? I'm looking for an abrasion resistant, low memory line of around 200-250lb bs.
Here you go Worms, I use 'Veals' own, but there is 'Varivas' as well on this page: Mmm, low memory 250lb . . . ?
is ther such a thing . . . Ah yes, 'thick' and 'low memory', thats me . . . https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/Hook_Lengt...Trace_Line.html
SW
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Ayjay, that's excellent, and just what I was looking for! Many thanks...!
SW, you're right, but I think a very small, simple border sometimes helps a photo to stand out from the background a bit. I wanted something very simple, and Ayjay's link has solved my problem!
Janet
Yep Janet, I agree, a thin line around can work very well, often defines the picture, however, its very rare for the 3 or 4mm lines to look anything more than a memorial notice. Then again, a very wide black border can look great hung on the wall, but best with a thin line around the picture, a white gap and then the heavy wide boarder. Obviously playing with colours is a good idea, black thin line, white then perhaps a deep magenta, or strong ocker, grey perhaps, I could even visualise rose pink in some situations? I'm sure you see the point. However, personally, I have always used as my bench mark, 'less is more', part of my training in graphic art, back in nineteen hundred and frozen to death
. . . just my way. SW
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Oh, don't talk to me about frames!
I've been fighting with E7 for weeks, and it still doesn't want to play...
I just can't figure out a way of adding a simple. plain black border that doesn't detract from the image. I've read umpteen on-line tutorials, but still I can't manage it!
Janet
Janet . . . why use a frame
Plain and simple . . . ??? IMHO Just cos its there, don't mean you have to use it, cynical ain't I, sorry. 
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Blowing a hoolie on the Fylde coast at the weekend...but lovely light...
A spooky morning...
And a nice evening to round it all off!
Janet
Great crop on the beach shot Janet, very clean, the eye is not distracted . . . much? . . . I dont like the 'memorial notice' border? . . . although it almost seems appropriate for the House of Horrors B&W grave yard pick . . . yes I like that one
although a 'thin black line frame' would still be better . . . IMHOSW
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I think Sutton Warrior had a post somewhere for shaky hands, a chain on a screw into the tripod hole and stand on the bottom and tighten up. something like that
Cheers Fred
It was a bolt the same thread as in the camera base, tie some string to it and tie a large washer to the other end, (string needs to be correct length), stand on washer and pull string tight. Not my idea, it was a recommendation but I cant remember who???
I've a better one now, at that time, the steady was for Hazel . . . I'm suffering a little these days with camera shake, so I use a 'Walking Pod', a mono pod that looks like and is as light as a walking stick or a hiking pole, unscrew the top and screw on the camera, lengthen the stick by a half twist, brilliant tool. Hazel is using one at waist height with a Canon A640 which has a swivel screen, its like using a large format or Box Brownie. I use it as normal, with my D80 or these days preferring the lightness of our D40X, 18-70 combination, stops any hand shake!
They are listed on fleBay, about £12 upwards.
SW
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I bottom fish and drift the shallow water off Felixstowe all the time and am just making the transition to braid . . . The trick is, for me, light forgiving rod, takes that initial hit, I use Abu Suveran 7'-9", 12-20lb class, work well with mono as well! 20lb braid, 0.19mm dia., 20lb mono leader twice the rod length, is about right. It works well for me.
I'm not sure about the wreck fishing dont do much of that up here, but a 40lb rod sounds a bit heavy for braid to me???? Abu do a 20-30lb Suveran which I use sometimes, but am feeling its still a bit OTT??? Have not used mine for 9 months now.
The Suveran is an unusual blank, super sensitive and forgiving top third (not floppy) the rest is tough but bendy!! getting tighter as pressure is applied . . .
SW
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If you get a chance to have a look at the solid carbon Maximmus give it a go you may be impressed and want one but I think they've stopped making them now so they're getting a bit rare in the tackle shopsYou're right. Elton brought one onto my boat once and, straight away, I wanted it! I know he was getting hold of them once upon a time, but he hasn't been able to get me one. I have one of these Maxximus 10-20lb, they were being offered cheap as seconds. Thought it a bit floppy at the time, never even got as far as the boat! Relegated to the back of the shed, they were being less than universally well received at the time if I remember, " . . . wet spaghetti action, poor rings corroding quickly . . . "
Dug it out of the 'sad rod heap' this evening. Mmm, a light through action for sure, but with my new thinking, as a braid equipped rod it might just be a bit of fun? I wonder, as mine is a couple of years old now, does the blank material mature with age, cos' I cant believe I could be that wrong about a blanks action
or, is it a rod befor its time? Braid and 3 or 4oz of lead should be OK?How things can change.
SW
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They have a few Solid Cs on Tacklebargains' website.
I'm getting a bit confused about the line class thingy now with braid. I've seen a few rods with mixed line classes. One example is the 8' Ugly Stik 12-20lb braid rod, suitable for mono lines up to 25lb and braid up to 30lb
That to me makes it a 25lb mono rod or a 30lb braid rod?
I realise that the required actions of mono and braid rods are different but why would a 12-20lb braid rod be suitable for using 30lb braid? Surely 12-20lb braid would be ideal?
What does your Salt Sporting braid rod say regarding line strengths Barry?
Any comments on the Shimano Speedmaster rods?
Not particularly wanting to get into the Braid-Mono thing, I'm certainly finding that new modern style braid fishes better than the old floppy/soft type, and a little thicker is good for me as well, about 0.20mm suits me for general fishing. Coupled to the modern style 'braid rod blank'. A 30lb blank was fine with stretchy mono, the two actions together soften things out, braid on a 30lb class blank . . . bit stiff? no line give!!! So we come down to 12lb + braid still fishing for the same fish, braid transfers the fight straight to a light forgiving rod, thats how I perceive it.
I have been ante braid for years. Appreciating the pleasure of the lighter blank but using mono, being able to use 12lb mono happily on a boat with a 20/25lb leader. It seems to me, you can put mono onto a 'braid blank' but trying to fish braid on an old style (mono action?) blank, just does not work, hence the often heard comment "I tried braid and did not like it" . . . ?
This does not account for the lighter 15lb class rod users you say? Iwould sugest in braid terms 15lb is not light? . . . I think my favoured 12lb class Abu Suveran 7'9" boat rods, that replaced my 15lb'ish uptiders, has for me a perceived lighter action than its 12lb rating, I am looking at even lighter blanks to use with braid, I've been using bait casters over the summer to good effect, both in ability and pure fun! Conoflex do a cracking 6lb blank in their Trilogy range, the problem I find is its butt thickness, like handling a 'butch beach caster', just feels wrong some how, super light tip, thick ponderous old style butt?
Its down the the manufacturers to to get the feel right, hanging on to old ideas??? Abu have still some way to go on the butt feel as well!
So I will happily use mono or modern braid all on braid style blanks, for the shallow Southern East coast waters I fish they are great. On going . . .
SW
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Greys Longboat: Here you go mate, quick search, closest I could see £81.00
http://www.garryevans.co.uk/greys-longboat...rods-1176-p.asp
SW
PS Something strange about the prices . . . I might have been looking at the price of the new fixed reel seet version????
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Thanks a lot, now I understand. I appreciate that.
I've been contemplating those Suverans as well, it's nice to know your views. A mate has the 20lb Longboat with the fixed reel seat which he loves I just fancied something a touch lighter. Where have you seen them for £79?
What with Barry's Salt jobbies I can see a shed full of lightweight rods coming on
I bought mine at that price for the pair, a few years back, they then went up . . . but I have seen them in the past 12 months around that price, but to remember where, took little notice, I'm not in the market ? ? ?
You will need to look on the net and at the mag adverts?
SW
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Pity the modern Ugly Stick is not a patch on its former self . . . ?
Greys Longboat:
Here you go mate, I own a pair of 15-20's, they were the replacement for a pair of Abu Ambassadors which I loved, no longer available. The reel seat is neat, as you wind the grip nut onto the reel foot it clamps via pressure on the tongue, making a good tight fit, the butt material is a hard rubber, seat to butt fit is excellent, almost to good, keep the but clean! I think they do a couple of lighter blanks these day, down to 5 or 10lbs???
As for the 15-20lb, great fishing rod, originally priced at £130 . . . it seems to lack that last bit of back bone?? The butt is 30" long giving great scope for reel position, I have seen them at £79 . . . at that price a good general purpose rod. Personally I would like to get my hands on one of the very light weight versions . . . have a few ideas that the 'sliding reel seat/long butt' will be ideal for!
However, until that day comes, my money is with my 12lb Abu Suverans, they have the tip, sensitivity and feel of a much lighter rod, but apply pressure and you can feel the blank tighten as power is transferred . . . according to the weight and fight of the fish at the other end!!! Its is the only blank I know of, that is capable of this passive metamorphosising, it is the most satisfying experience, regardless of fish size that I have ever experienced playing and landing.
SW
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I still use two of them for all my boat fishing! I spent my first ever weeks wages on one in 1979, when I was just 16. They were the new thing back then. I've used almost every other type and make of boat rod since then, but I still haven't found anything I like using more than my old 15lb class Ugly Stik. I've re-rung it a few times, but I'll never get rid of it. In fact, I was lucky enough to find another old original about 8 years ago. I snapped it up and whipped on some new Fuji's, so I've got a matching pair to use now. I get some odd looks from people on charter boats, etc, because they look so old and dated, (especially with my two old Abu 7000's on them which date from 1973 and 1978!), but they are still great rods.
Just as a point of interest, my first Ugly Stik cost me £35 brand new from Ron Edwards tackle shop in Herne Bay, and the second hand one I found 22 years later cost me £50!
If only they still made them like that Steve . . . I can thoroughly recommend the Suveran 12lb boat rod Steve, very much the same but more recent scenario. I've tried and owned all sorts, but the first rod I pick up for general boat fishing, up or down tide, is the 12lb Suveran and a Swedish built ABU 7500 and yes I have a matched pair too
Got a couple of the old red ABU's as well, circa 80's-ish. Trying braid, again . . . at the moment, its to early to come to a conclusion, is the extra money worth it? this will be the first cod season . . . definitely a
for bassing, especially on the drift with the lightest of single handed rods, 15-40grs!SW
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Would not touch an ABU 6600-LD!!! I had one and was glad when it went over the side!!!, big bass (I think) riped the rod out of my hands, (I have poor grip in my right hand) the clutch just did not work well enough, it was always sticky! I have six 7000's and a 6500 Rocket, great reels, but the 6600 . . .
By the way, the insurance company paid up
Suveran 12-20, plus ABU reel = £300! I bought a new Suveran and the Rocket as a replacement to the 6600.SW
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I think thats a good point Rich, I have always believed, its not the camera, its the person behind the camera that counts . . .
Ask Janet, the number of times I have said to her, "the photographers eye is all important".
Puts that one to bed nicely dont you think
More than one way to skin a cat . . . SW