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Frederick Forsyth? Another (but this time multi millionaire) commenting from the comfort of his sitting room.

Have read through this post and it’s nice to see that some things in life never change. Wild accusations, followed by somebody who actually knows a bit about the subject putting them right. Followed by a truthful (and amusing) comment from wurzel summing up the reality of the original post. Big Cod. why dont you start a Campaign up to have seals culled? Have you got AIS on your boat Paul? Or are you another one of the armchair enthusiasts who sit at home looking at it, seeing French trawlers assume what they are doing, backed up by a few moaning guard boat skippers who are actually having to earn their money by guarding an exposed pipe line. I believe they (guard boats) have been there for months and this was the only time any commercial boats have caused them any concern. The French trawlers where working in international waters. They where boarded twice in the trip you mentioned. They were fishing for whiting. There catches where monitored when they landed back in there French ports. And that information comes directly from someone who was there and not from a wild assumption coming from somebody studying a piece of technology in the comfort of their sitting room.

Now that Cameron has left us in Europe, but without a voice. Do you think that Britain’s bargaining strength will improve at the forthcoming CF reform discussions Barry?

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/work-begins-t...pier-footbridge

http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=16383

So i take it that an engineer found the said bridge not to be safe? then the council would have to close it surely? besides Al the paperwork the lack of funds, getting a contractor to build and install a new bridge at short notice, then passing the new construction? i would of estimated at least 12 months before the job could realistic-ley be completed. not really a national disgrace is it Big Cod. as for the angling suppliers sob story? come on, how many times have we heard on here about the miles and miles of wonderful coast line either side of whitby for angling. surely an angling shop does not rely on one fishing mark?

I’ve yet to meet a commercial fisherman that has had to depend on subsidies to make a living. Simply because they have said that there are subsidies out there but you try getting your hands on any. Big Cod. So you think that an industry who says they want no accountability and refuse to even give basic details on how much they catch and how many they take angling will be in line for any sort of subsidy? Flapper

It seams that some farmers get quite a bit of subsidy as well. I believe that farmers get about £500 per household in subsidy. I don’t know how much commercial fishermen get? http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/mar/23/e...mofinformation1

i would sayHobby but would have to abide (if any) to your local by-laws on shellfish. Flapper.

I would say no. you would only bee seen as commercial if you wanted to sell what you caught. There is nothing to stop any body going out to see with say a long line and catching say ten boxes of (sized) cod. If he is not selling his fish he is looked upon as a hobby fishermen who is not doing what he does for commercial gain. Your two creels are not looked upon as commercial method until the person using them uses them for commercial gain. I think. Flapper. Ps of course you could have a local by-law that stipulates how many creels you can work and how much shell fish you can take home. These sort of by-laws are aimed at hobby fishermen and not commercial fishermen again I think.

Phone I would say that to be a doing anything “commercial” you would first have to be registered to be commercial. I would say (and I believe that there are commercial fishermen who use angling techniques to catch there fish) to Be able to sell that fish for commercial gain they would have to be registered fishermen. Flapper.

Hi deene, O very good points and I can certainly see where you’re coming from. With the limited resources that the authorities have to collect this data, what sort of percentage do you think they would bee looking for in the first place to make this a credible survey? Let’s say (for an example) we have a target of 1000000 anglers who are eligible to answer questions in this survey. Ok let’s say that the authority’s realistic figure would be 10% of that number. 10% of the eligible number refuses to take part. 10% of the eligible number signs the petition. I think that it’s going to be very difficult to try and use numbers when one of the first questions I would imagine would be to find out how many recreational sea anglers there are. For instance if you get a petition of 100000 names saying they are against change for sea anglers from an estimated 1000000 anglers the government are going to say that 100000 are against but 900000 didn’t sign so therefore we can only suggest that they where in favour. If you have accountability then surely you can use those accountable numbers in your favour when trying to fight any changes to our hobby.? I whish you well deene I honestly do and I admire your stance on what you believe in. I am only trying to look at things from a realistic point of view. all the best Flapper.

Well I can sympathies with your Whitby angler Paul But I am afraid to say that I don’t think that Defra for one minute are going to step back because we as anglers think that they are barking up the wrong tree. In fact the more we try and hide (because by saying nothing) that is what they will think we are doing and by hiding they are going to put it across that we have something to hide. Therefore we have given them the excuse to introduce legislation to enforce so that they find out what they want to know. Defra then will be happy, the government will be happy (or at least the treasury and the bureaucrats) Brussels will be happy and you wont have a chance to say anything then. So I suppose, saying nothing now, means you can only say nothing later. Flapper.

So, the government do a survey (a very expensive survey at that) and lets say 90% of the anglers that are approached say that they have been advised, or have decided themselves not to take part or give any information towards this survey. In other words, bugger off because we are quite capable of looking after our own affairs. So what do you think the government response will be? Flapper.

Thanks for that Paul. Well at least the MMO are telling the truth then when you ask them. Must say that it was a step in the right direction if the trawler men themselves are wanting it shut down. Could be a big temptation for them this year if they have all got a bit of quota to use up with them finding alternative work. Flapper.