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  1. Hey russ.............who is the one who has probs with over tired pike, is it me or is it you?

     

    End of chat.

     

    Enjoy yourself at work......I'm off fishing :)

     

    phil [Edited - John S. No personal attacks or petty namecalling please chaps....],you still cant see that they are not carp.

     

    i have tried showing you scientific facts but still you are right and im wrong. i have also told you i only ever had probs in summer and not with every fish and with river pike wich fight alot harder than stillwater fish due to their envoiriment,ie strong flows etc youll never learn cos you cant see past your own nose.

     

    matt well up for it mate let me know when ya can

  2. By general consensus, a gassed-up pike is one that, instead of swimming off underwater when returned after capture, swims just under the surface and attempts to dive. Sometimes it fails to dive and then starts to wallow on the surface. This may be so bad that the pike rolls over onto its back. At this stage it is clear that the pike is in trouble. There appear to be two types of 'gassing-up'; one in which the pike appears very obviously inflated, and a second where the pike is simply unable to maintain its equilibrium and remain upright.

     

    'Gassed-up' pike are often associated with deep water venues, where pike are caught close to the bottom and raised quite quickly to the surface. Anglers have reported seeing pike coming up from deep water emitting bubbles from their mouths, which suggests that pike can release excess gas from their swim bladders if they need to, but perhaps under some circumstances they are unable to do this and become 'gassed-up'.

     

    'Gassed-up' pike caught from shallow waters are more likely to be the result of exhaustion and the build-up of lactic acid as a consequence of the energetic and/or prolonged fight. The problem with lactic acid is that lots of it can in fact be dangerous, affecting the chemical balance of the exercised fish. Some anglers have released pike only to see them swim out a few yards and roll on their side on the bottom. Clearly these pike have not been 'gassed-up', but over tired. For a pike which has been over-exercised by someone trying to land it using light gear, a period of recovery is required. A period when plenty of oxygen is essential.

     

    Keeping the pike out of the water too long, and high marginal water temperatures with low oxygen levels can increase the problem. It seems likely that the two phenomena of lactic acid build up and excess gas could be connected. Dr Bruno Broughton suspects that the act of playing a pike, especially if the fight is hard, can cause a malfunction of the duct between the swim bladder and the foregut, although quite how this occurs is open to conjecture.

     

    The key to avoid pike 'gassing up' in the first place seems to be to use tackle which will land pike quickly. A mimimum15lb line and rods with test curves between 2.5lb and 3.5lb will ensure that no pike should take longer than ten minutes to land. Don't play your fish for longer than necessary. Don't keep the fish out of the water for more than a couple of minutes otherwise you may have a fatality on your hands. Rest it in the landing net in-between unhooking and photography. Then get it back quickly. Six photos is more than enough for anyone!

    If you should be so unlucky to have a pike in difficulty you need to find shallow, sheltered piece of water and stake the fish out using all your rod rests, or anything you can beg or borrow to form a 'cradle' to keep the pike upright, then simply leave it alone for as long as it takes the fish to recover. This might be minutes or hours, but the more you mess the pike about the worse things will get. If you can find an area of oxygenated current, such as an incoming stream, place the pike in this area facing into the flow.

     

    Various ideas have been suggested regarding releasing excess gas from the swim bladder. Indeed the Americans have had some success using a syringe to remove gas from the swim bladders of walleye. Unfortunately, this is a skilled technique which we don't recommend untrained anglers to attempt. Some anglers have reported some success in releasing gas by holding back the gullet wall with a landing net handle. Others recommend bending the fish to force gas out. However, all these techniques seem risky and uncertain - but in extreme cases they might be worth trying. A staked out fish, once it has metabolised its excess lactic acid should be able to rectify the balance of gas in its swim bladder, keep itself upright and swim strongly away.

  3. so teh latic acid build up in a pike through taking a little bit longer to land it isnt a problem?

     

    rude...really...

     

    sorry, your skills are better than mine,you are a god phil,dont worry about the pike getting a latic biuld up that might just kill it(something carp dont suffer from) you just carry on fella, keep trying to switch it round on me.

     

    you care so much you wont listen to scientific fact,if you care so much how coem you wont discuss teh latic acid biuld up phil...i yeah its because you havent a clue!

  4. What part of I DONT OVERPLAY FISH dont you understand?

     

    A carp will outscrap a pike any day yet you seem to think a match rod is ok to tame a carp but not ok to tame a pike?

     

    Bizarre!

     

    If I thought using that rod was dangerous to the fish then I wouldnt have used it.........its that simple. (check out some of my other threads and you'll find I'm a thoughtful fisherman when it comes to fish care)

     

    Theres only one person here who has said they have problems with over tired fish and that Russel.......now theres irony for you.

     

    Had enough of this thread anyway.........I caught my pike, they were not overly stressed and they all went back unharmed and the rod is now broken.............END OF STORY! (well it should be but I doubt it)

     

    you still fail to see that pike are not carp phil,they are completly different fish! i never said i play them till they are kanckered i said i get them in quick and back in teh wtare even quicker,join the PAC mate you might learn something,you are really annoying me now and soon i will get rude and offensive so its best we leave it as it is.

  5. ts funny really......I dont have problems with tired pike when I put them back, but you claim to have problems with your 'heavy gear'........maybe theres a message for you there?

     

    one last thing....i fish a weirpool/river the pike i hook no matter what size go liek stink thast why i sometimes have to let them recover,i showed a young lad who was catching pike and explained what mark has said...he said thanks mate i didnt know that,in future i wil remeber that and be carefull with them,thats what i like to hear.

     

    end of.

  6. catch pike in teh summer while zander fishing,on 2.75 tc rods and 15lb mainline they still go bonkers but i get em in quicker unhook them even quicker and i still have to hold em to let them recover,

     

    OVERPLAYING,is my point,i dont want to argue with you,i just would like you to fish for them properly with eth correct tackle,you cant see this tho,

     

    matt and boozle are keen to learn more,i am reasonably experienced predator angler i could probably show them things they dont know better ways to handle pike unhook them etc....the difrence between them and you is they are not ignorant.

     

    the original remarks were said to make you think,i hope ali comes on and reads this and NEVER attempts to catch pike on his wagggler rod instead i hope he will go out have a good look around and pick up a 20-30 pound carp/pike rod with at least 2.5lb test curve,my rods are only 30 quid each,fishing neednt cost a fortune.

  7. mark, brian,

     

    thats exactly what i was getting at you have put it across alot better than me...

    piking in summer in say scotland and up north where the weather is mostly cooler than the south isnt so much of a problem,i know that and i should have said such.

     

    i am a passion pike angler and the way i see it is if you are going to fish for them,then you should do so using what has become the standard tackle,or set up.

    its more for there saftey/welfare than our enjoyment.

  8. you make me laugh,

     

    i said it in my previous post pike are not carp,they are alot more delicate,it doesnt take much at all to damage them,its not about damaging the rod its about overplaying the fish,something i have seen many many times with anglers and incorrect tackle,match boys bullying carp...hmmm probably why there mouths are always a mess?

     

    all i can say is i'm glad you dont fish the same waters as me.

  9. I found a DAM match rod floating in Earlswood a couple of years ago and used it for 18 months flinging out half herrings (often as far as I could launch em!!!) until I eventually broke it (I actually trod on the end and broke off the end eye).

     

    For sure there are rods better suited to the job but if the rod is an old one and you dont mind tooooo much if you break it then why not use it?

     

    Of course playing a double figure summer pike on a 13 foot match rod is good fun and beats playing it on a piece of broom stale!!!! :):)

     

    why why why :wallbash::angry::angry: do you realise that pike would be completly exaushted by overplaying them :schmoll: gotta be teh stupidest thing i have heard,

     

    i catch pike in teh summer while zander fishing,on 2.75 tc rods and 15lb mainline they still go bonkers but i get em in quicker unhook them even quicker and i still have to hold em to let them recover,

     

    talking like you have you should be banned from pike fishing :angry: pike are NOT carp!

     

    No, a carp waggler rod is designed for casting a float, it would struggle to cast anything other than a very small lure, and would probably make a nice "crack" sound if you tried to cast a deadbait with it!

     

    Pike fishing is the one branch of the sport where you do *really* need the right gear, and preferably a bit of practical instruction from someone who does know what they are doing.

     

    Mat

     

    BTW matt you still up for some pred fishing sometime this winter?

  10. mainly tiger nuts,few fish on hard boilies,crab specials from quest baits,baited up with hemp,all sizes of pellet,maize,and small amounts of tigers,and boilies.

     

    poisson chat(small ctafish with teeth!) are a right pain whittling baits down..not the tigers tho!

  11. More drag will mean your reel will apply extra tension to your line.

     

    Ensure your anti-reverse is set so the spool will not spin and turn the handle at the same time ( in other words on ) when the line is pulled. Then adjust your drag . . you can see how much pressure is applied by pulling the line by hand. The drag setting will depend on the strength of your line etc. Dependant upon your experence I wuld recomend the drag is set slightly lighter and you can either apply more drag during the fight, or by placing a finger or thumb on the spool as it turns.

     

    I would strongly recomend you ask another angler to assisit you with your initial setting.

     

    Remember on fighting a fish, when it's close to the bank, almost ready for netting, it is likely it'll take fright and speed off. Be prepared and ensure you have slackened the drag a little at this stage. Keep you rod up and use it's flexable action to asorb shocks. Don't point the rod at the fish otherwise the action of the rod will not be in play and shocks will be transfered directly via the line to your reel and the hook.

     

    spot on,thast they way to play em!

  12. hi all,

     

    been off here for a bit,but i am back from my trip to etang de margo,in angers north west france,

     

    what a week,my first trip abroad at the age of 25(!),i went with 3 fen boys,we all caught several twenty pound fish each,and some other suprises in teh shape of a 45lb sturgeaon to my mate rob and he had two 20+ grass carp!

     

    i had 3 twentys,2 commons and a mirror to a new personal best of 25lb and a cracking 14+koi

     

    we was boating our rigs and baiting by boat,i didnt do too bad for a predator angler!

     

    enjoy the pics

     

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  13. The licence system could be tiered so being relevant to all of anglings many areas.ie a predator licence would be required to fish for predators and only be obtainable after instruction in basic techniques and handling/unhooking skills.

     

    cracking idea,i for one would love to see it set up and enforced-i'd enforce it.

     

    RE- eels,yes they do rid themselves of single hooks i have seen it,also with regards to pike and to soem extent zander.i was discussing with another predator angler,he was saying on several occasions he has landed pike with another trace in there throats,he said the trebels was just out of sight with a SLOW and VERY GENTLE pull he could get to it.....but it had already partially broken down,obviously not all hooks break down quick,depends on teh matreial used to make the hook i suppose,anyway it took me back to when i have hauled in snags,complete with leads..feeders..and even wire traces...and guess what?...the trebels on them like teh swivels on teh leads and feeders had broken down or were very brittle....food for thought....

     

    i will say this,ITS NO EXCUSE FOR DEEP HOOKING,and all hooks should be removed if it is possible,we can never be sure wether they rid themselves off hooks or not.

     

    i wouldnt put a pike or any other fish back with a trace or hook in there throat,its not fair,i would rather put them out of their misery.

  14. No. but you're much more likely to find chub in a lure munching mood in shallow water of a couple of feet or less that's got a bit of flow on it. I supose that this is because this is where they'd naturally chase fry.

    I have caught them on lures in deep slow water but I'd never bank on it.

    Number one lure for be would be a size 3 Mepps Anguila in silver although heavier lures like the Droppen's do come out if the fish are at long range.

    Sometimes they are in an agressive mood and the rod will yank over with astonishing ferocity when you get a bite but at other times (especially when fishing rock bars) the fish will follow the lure and it's not uncommon to watch the take, strike and hook a fish without feeling a thing - 'tis why good polaroids come in handy.

     

    ok,so maybe i should throw smaller lures more often,i got a good pair of polariods :D thanks for the tips

  15. He did catch it on a rubber frog at a place that apparently used to be an aquatics centre of some kind.

    The picture that he sent was also entitled "Frog_on_frog" but how on earth could you tell that because the title information doesn't come up when I hit the properties button ?

     

    I've not tried those fog lures myself because the Heddon Moss Boss does just about everything I could ask for from a surface lure and I've tried to many topwaters that are all but useless.

     

    Russell, I've had most success with chub off the top using either a Heddon baby torpedo (dull colours) with a stredy retrieve or big deerhair bugs fished on a flyrod. Great fun but a simple spinner will usually outfish both methods.

     

    oh yeah...doh!

     

    i use the phat rat,and hawg wobbler(best lure ever!) alot too,i have been told before that abu droppen spinners are good for chub,i do have a fly rod that is yet to be used (given to me by a workmate),i bought a few flies liek black gants and mayflys and a kool daddy long legs repilca :)

     

    talking about chub on lures over on p+p forum too,do you have to se them to catch them on lures?

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