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Top of the POPS and last Night at the Proms To name but a few I know that was poor taste sorry guys!

I can tell you Where the Black man is Mate he is working overseas hardly seeing his family or Kids he is working Miles away from home hardly seeing his wife or family, he is fighting bush wars that he dosnt understand for bent politictions or he has died of Aids, You forget with we have one of the the Biggist Hand out culture in the world,In Africa NGOs hardley scratch the surface of whats needed in Africa, I think what needs to be pionted out as well is Red nose day supports British charitys as well I dont think that has been recognised on this thread. ( sorry if it has )

Must admit the same thought has crossed my mind, I would add though Lenny Henry, Bob Geldoff and Midge Ure have both put a lot of there own time and effort into Red Nose day and Live Aid.

I will second that

Andy I was around in the seventies and saw one then I think its a Flump!

The type of young man in that area who would engage in Dog fighting, would almoust certainly be part of a gang, involved in the drug scene, and would probley be armed, Chalanging these youths could well be the last thing you would ever do. The armchair warrior in me says break a stick on the biggist of the bunch untill he pi55e5 his self in reality I would have probley got a description and called the police, and hoped they would be descreet and not let any one arrested now it was me that grassed them! Thes gangs run estates The police need to establish a beach head and litteraly flush them out.

I heard banded about a figure of 800,000 took part in the anti war demonstrations in London, What do we do with them?

You do just fine ate as you are! Klienie a young Lad shot I believe eight poeple in Germany the other day, a similar atrocity happend a few days back in the USA a young deputys wife and child was murderd amounst others. We have had riots mass shootings and social unrest in this country France flaires up every couple of years more often than not. these incidents are Aborations as were the incidents you refer to in Botswana, wether you choose to agree or not Botswana is held up as a beackon in africa for its democratic values. Worms you are right mate this one has gone way off course but its interesting.

I know what you are saying Klienie but its not Just apartied Is it? Terrible things whent on in that country dreadfull breaches of Human Rights,Holding up a few instances of Diversity in a at the time universily Villiefied nation I feel is weak, You hold up Zimbabwe as a example of a black mans poor governance I will hold up Botswana as an example of what is possible given time.

Again I piont out mate thay are Home!

Bl00dy Hell klienie. Ive only gone and agreed with you

Thats a fair one! I do think the arts should be recognised though, as should the Sciences.

A piont of view that that has some merit IMO, exept I suspect some of those men are as British as me so where will they go? the Human rights act is in its self not a bad thing, and no more obstructive to the legal system than the American Bill of rights is to Americans. I am sure without having to dig too deep or too hard offences where being commited by that crowd of men. the only problem is they will proberly only be minor public order offences and it will be claimed that it would not be in the public interest to pursue a prosecution. Maybe just ignoring them is the awnser as they have had more news copy than they diserve already.

Holding up South Africa as a parogon of virtue espeacialy the period that you were there Klienie as a good example of how sound Justice should be dealt out is a bit iffy to say the least.

Poor chioce of Country, Being tounge in cheek we are doing exactly that in Afgahnistan an act that I support. the fact that your arguement holds a degree of truth brings up a couple of pionts either we have it wrong or an intollerant backward country has it right.

Im not sure Chesters, Useing one of the Republican Irish attacks on the British main land as an example, an asian shop keeper was killed I think he was the only non Europian victem, in all that Carnage was his death a racist attack and all the others just boring old Murder, Of course not. Your example is amusing but wont stand up! If race is a factor in the attack, or is what preciptated the attack then its racialaly motivated,if not it isn't would the black guy who touched your wife be guilty of a racial attack because he touched your white wife ? ( I have made the assumption that your wife is white) the whole piont of a protest is an agenda! if not all you would have is a group of poeple turning up shouting and screaming achieving nothing then going home A bit like Tottenham fans

is a censure on a provocative piont of view good law or an infringement of your freedom to express your self ?

I think I understand most of that Mate I dont however agree with the above. Islam is multi racial in fact a lot of hard core clerics and activists would seem to be Middle easten, or converts from the west black and white.

Not for being Muslem no! seems odd that its ok if you are a soldier though.

Morning Tony. For what its worth I think you are both right but it sticks in my throat abit al the same.

Morning mate! So do I and its my dads fault Or am I missing something

Freedom of speach is important Vital in fact, But would those Islamic Demonstrators been as free to evoke that right if they knew the police where not willing or able to protect them from the huge percentage of poeple who where glad and proud to see our Brave troups parade through the streets on thier home coming parade. I think not! I also worry that these Poeple will play into the hands of the far rightwing (and the Daily Mail ) Should they have been alowed to do what they did? I thought I was almost an incitement for public disorder. What do you think?

Oh come on Rabbit didnt you even manage Just a little smile?

Those Italians are a clumsy lot arn't they, But the ordiance seemed to enjoy it !