glennk

Hi Guys, Im here to ask for your help. This includes all anglers : sea, coarse, game, kayak, boat etc etc. http://www.facebook.com/groups/savewhitbyspiers/ Anglers at Whitby are now without 2 of the best fishing marks in our area. Both piers are closed to the public due to neglect of upkeep of the structures by Scarborough Borough Council. We have formed a facebook protest group at the link below, and we are holding a protest on the entrance to the outer west pier to express or disgust at Scarborough Councils Underinvestment in our town and pier. I realise a lot of you will be to far away to come along to the protest on Sunday. However we would be really grateful if you would show your support for fellow anglers by joining our facebook group. Also if you could just say a few words of support on the group and say that Glenn Kilpatrick has asked you to register to the group as a fellow angler to show your support to anglers from our region, then this would be really really appreciated. Maybe one day anglers from our region will be in a position to return the favour. Here is the facebook group link. Please please please sign up and support our cause. Please also send the link to all your friends and post on as many forums and sites as possible http://www.facebook.com/groups/savewhitbyspiers/ Best wishes - Glenn

Come on guys lets have you signing up. Its for a good cause. 1,100 members in 24 hours and growing fast : http://www.facebook.com/groups/15059182169...151141268309728 Save Whitby Piers Facebook Group

Believe it when I see it. You lasted 20 minutes last year before you went mop fishing.

A big well done to Paul Brittain on a good catch for the time of year. There was also some good pollack throughout the festival. These came from Sea Urchin and trot on And cod in numbers on 2 doggs All in all another great festival for Whitby

Try 1st wet and wild of Hull http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/in...p?topic=20458.0

Some lovely fish there Barry. How big was the biggest pollack ? They are my favourite fish to catch, but when I was talking to Paul about them recently he said they dont fight as well in deep water because their swim bladders often blow. Is this something you have experienced ? When we catch them on the kayaks, in 20-30 ft of water they go ballistic.

Ill sort one for you in next couple of weeks Elton.

Same old same old Roskilly.

If 95% of anglers want to target cod, all I can say is that 95% of anglers have never sampled the fight given by a good sized pollack on light tackle. Ive had cod to 22lb with yourself and pollack to 10lb from the kayak. If you gave me a choice of the 2, the pollack would win hands down. There is no other fish like them in UK waters. As for what customers want. Heres a question. When your phone rings on an evening and the lads book in. Do you ask them what they want to fish for, or do you say bring plenty of shads and squid ? Im not against cod fishing, I thoroughly enjoy it, but its not the be all and end all of fishing on our coast. Nip on our forum and ask the kayakers what they prefer to target. We have good inshore cod fishing but most people are just passing time waiting for June And July when the bass and pollack arrive.

Heres some fish caught well inshore by commercial operators

Somebody needs to educate the Whitby Charter Skippers on species fishing. The potential is huge at Whitby yet you will be lucky to get a skipper to steam away from traditional cod grounds. The kayak lads have pushed the boundaries of the inshore fishing where there is more species than you can shake a stick at, Ive seen pollack to almost 15lb in 20 foot of water and they swim like an exocet missile. I doubt you will catch a conger but I would love for you to prove me wrong, but the potential for big Turbots, halibuts, Skate, Haddock, Pollack, monkfish etc etc etc is there as the commercial boats take them with regular occurrence. One thing I will say, is that every year the skippers I talk to always talk about what could be possible, but its always just talk, no-one tries anything different, except (Rich Ward targets sharks, and Paul Eddon targets Pollcak). Time to stop talking and start doing.

I hope not. They havent a clue about sea anglers or what they want. As Clive says, dont expect too much in the way of change. A few more jobs for the boys, another layer of beurocracy and no more fish will be the end result here.

Try tax. By far the largest part of the money we pay for fuel is in taxes. Ill just mention something else as well. When I started my job 13 years ago I got 42p per mile fuel allowance. At that point petrol was 65p per litre. I now get 47p per mile and petrol is £1.30 per litre. Thats a lot of menoey to loose each month of your income. But they tell me I am lucky to have a job. So I just keep quiet.

I have mixed feelings about this. Removal of the primary care trusts is good as its streamlining management (at the moment the whole system is top heavy with managers who seem to do very little). Gp Commissioning could be a good thing as it will remove that middle level of management. However, do the the GP's have the time and expertise to run the show ? Also with the new funding for results system in foundation trusts, you will have the staff on the ground so caught up in a new level of bureaucracy designed to prove what work they are doing, they will now no longer have enough time to do the work they are having to prove they are doing. The drive toward foundation trusts status has been ongoing for a couple of years already (so dont get caught up in thinking this is all conservatives doing, as it isnt) and the increased level of paperwork for some staff on the ground is simply frightening with many of them working unpaid hours just to get it done, and managers simply saying "you have time management issues" if you cant meet the deadlines. Further to that, if you have management issues and you cant get your job done, then you loose your pay increments through the ksf system.

Was going to ask where it was. Ive had to offers of free holidays to Norway recently and foolishly never went. I was invited Salmon fishing on the Guala In July, and also to Trondheimsfjord for some winter cod fishing only a few days ago. Hope to get out there one day soon.

Interesting one for you here wurzel: http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/dr-callu...real-fish-fight

Yes, RIP HA.

Fully aware of that Steve. But history tells us that they will do anything in their power to be able to make money even at the expense of fish stocks. The only system that can ever work is one that truelly favours fish and not men with nets. Youve been a member of this forum a long time Steve. No doubt you will remember a member called Binatone, who then morphed into a member called Challenge. Can you recall how many times he swore blind on this forum that in all of his years of commercial fishing he had never seen an illegal practice, he had never seen a blinder and he had never seen any discards. Now all of a sudden Discards are a massive problem and every boat is doing it. Why did he put so much time into deny the existence on discards when we all knew they were rife ? Commercial fishermen aren't suddenly screaming about discards because they are concerned about fish, they're screaming about it because the quota system is now properly enforced and they want to land the discards (Just like they often used to illegally). If the quota system remained un-enforced there isnt a chance in hell that Hugh would have got his camera onboard any of those boats. This business of discards isnt a recent problem, its been going on for 20 years, alongside black fish, high grading and other illegal practices. I may be very cynical but the Agenda here is far bigger than the one that first meets the eye. Hughs agenda is a good one and discards must be dealt with, but I wouldn't trust some of the others who have a hand in this, as far as I could throw them.

Spot on Jim, and what concerns me is that regardless of what system is put in place, a greedy man will seek to find loopholes to make the system work for them and not for the fish. Im sure that when the Quota system was introduced, no one ever thought you would see dead fish being thrown out of a boats hold to be replaced by more valuable larger fish. There is no accounting for the greed of man and the only system that can ever work is one that favours fish not man. With the bargaining power of the NFFO its highly unlikely that any system will ever favour anything other than over 10 meter trawlers. Read somewhere in amongst this topic a comment from wurzel about days at sea working out only if they are given enough days to make it viable. Proof in itself that a commercial fisherman thinks of nothing more than commercial gain.

Seems to sum it up nicely.

Pollack and Cod are on the outside of the brigg end. Fish it in sommur and go with someone who knows what they are doing.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...=clnk&gl=uk Dated : 26 Dec 2010 19:28:16 GMT This is the chached version at the moment, but if you keep checking, as google change their data centres, you may be lucky and get an earlier version at some point over the next few days If your lucky enough to get the earlier version you want, make sure you copy it before the data centre changes again and you get a different cache. do a google search for "Time to kick sea fishing out of the Angling Trust By Keith Arthur" find the go fishing site amongst the search results, then press the cache link. Over the next few days you should get some variation on the cache times and dates.

We will see what google cache has to offer. Also Im informed this can be useful http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

If google crawled it on the right day you could get it through their cache. Theres also another way that Im gonna look for.

Just managed to wade through all the ebay ads for new socks and found the post button. I dont know Greg Whitehead or Keith Arthur (Isnt he the singer in the furys ?) So I cant tell you if they are merchant bankers or not, but I can vouch for Leon Roskilly being the biggest one in the sea angling world. Im with Steve on this one, Sea Angling needs to boot The Angling Trust into touch and the sooner the better. Oh, and a merry Christmas to you all.