Its amazing we see and use all these modern baits and think they are the bees knees, but its the angler who catches not the bait, i remember watching Bill Penny fishing a lake in sunbury many moons ago , all he had was a backy tin with some bread in it made by his wife and a little bag of mashed bread as groundbait , he was pulling roach out every cast and i mean good roach all over 2lb He could strike ,hook play and land the fish with out even looking at the float or the water, he was an angling artist, funny thing was when asked how he prepared his hook bait ,he replied i dont know the wife does it and she wont tell me Whenever i see a picture of yester year of an angler on the bank with his cane rod sitting on a wicker basket ,and fag in his mouth topped by a flat cap it always reminds me of him. He was for a short time the british roach record holder, a master of roach fishing