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TRUE, but my point was more around not approving of the culling of one species to protect another.

Would you apply that reasoning regarding Signal crayfish and our native White-clawed?...............not to mention the damage to other species/banks that they do oh yes, Chinese Mitten crabs? Look at the damage that American mink have caused, grey squirrels etc. I could go on B)

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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The catfish are artificial introductions, that have done severe damage to native stocks of barbel, and wildfowl for instance.

the scale of how seriously they take the threat of more introductions, is in the scale of fines...up to 2 million€.

 

Some of the places where they have been found recently, are enclosed waters, not connected to the Ebro.

 

The reason they seem to suspect people linked with the fishing companies, is that if catfish were living in these still waters, it would give them somewhere to send clients when the Ebro is in flood and unfishable.

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Would you apply that reasoning regarding Signal crayfish and our native White-clawed?...............not to mention the damage to other species/banks that they do oh yes, Chinese Mitten crabs? Look at the damage that American mink have caused, grey squirrels etc. I could go on B)

 

have i found a friend through this yey

 

i usually just get grief for my veiws on it

 

if we dont try to reduce the impact and spread then we may as well give up in my opinion

 

take the spread of ruffe for instance in some waters the impact these can have is staggering (think char's whitefish watever you want to call them)

 

in one glacial i fish zander are now only a stones throw away in geographic terms being downstream, and in (im lead to beleive) a canal that runs very close.

 

do we as anglers allow this endangered species to go the way of the burbot or do we remove every zander we catch and hope (against hope) that the authoritues do something appropriate for once

 

but then how far do you go would denunding the canal of all fish for a short period to ensure the removal of the zander be to far?

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have i found a friend through this yey

 

i usually just get grief for my veiws on it

 

if we don't try to reduce the impact and spread then we may as well give up in my opinion

 

take the spread of ruffe for instance in some waters the impact these can have is staggering (think char's whitefish watever you want to call them)

 

in one glacial i fish zander are now only a stones throw away in geographic terms being downstream, and in (im lead to beleive) a canal that runs very close.

 

do we as anglers allow this endangered species to go the way of the burbot or do we remove every zander we catch and hope (against hope) that the authoritues do something appropriate for once

 

but then how far do you go would denunding the canal of all fish for a short period to ensure the removal of the zander be to far?

 

There is little doubt that the Cats have affected fish like Barbel and Pike both now rare to say the least in the Ebro and I don't condone the movement of fish as that is selfish and comes back to bite us later,Are the cats being moved as adults or do they manage to catch small ones easier to move?? .

As its illegal to put them back [is it ?] then how easy is this to enforce on the lower reaches where bank access is limited at best and as Ken said along the river is a little industry formed around guys going out to fish for them eating out paying guides who then register boats etc loss of revenue to the Spanish govmt ,Or is this figure not big enough to worry about?? Don`t make it right but money talks an all.

Black Bass/Small mouthed Bass not sure which but also introduced by Franco i believe do they impact on other species?? ,Also is this sudden interest in the removal to divert attention from the water abstraction/New Dam issues that are plastered over a lot of the Property's downstream Graffiti style and a bit of a political hot potato?? .

As for the removal of Zander from the Canal i believe they have tried several times on the Oxford presumably by electro fishing netting with limited results so what then poison the river canal?? ,Only way to get rid of the Signals from the Kennett methinks but a step to far??.

Not disagreeing with you fella coz i for one would much prefer to see Red squirrel's in my garden /White clawed crays in the rivers / no Mink/ and even though i don't fish them no Ruffe in the Glacial Lakes but once they are in there as you hint at how far are we prepared to go to overcome the logistics of complete removal Steve.

We are not putting it back it is a lump now put that curry down and go and get the scales

have I told you abouit the cruise control on my Volvo ,,,,,,,bla bla bla Barder rod has it come yet?? and don`t even start me on Chris Lythe :bleh::icecream:

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As a matter of interest which rivers did the article refer to? It is probably too late to eradicate them from The Ebre(Ebro) system nor would it make economic sense in view of th enumber off visitors the fish attract.

Howver when I last fished regularly in Catalunia there were rumours of Catfish being introduced into the Riu Set and Ter, mind you I never saw any.

 

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Would you apply that reasoning regarding Signal crayfish and our native White-clawed?...............not to mention the damage to other species/banks that they do oh yes, Chinese Mitten crabs? Look at the damage that American mink have caused, grey squirrels etc. I could go on B)

 

I just don't see that in the long run culling non-natives works. Given a choice between seeing red squirrels and grey, I would rather have reds every time. But it only takes two to tango and as long as one Mr Grey and one Mrs Grey survive you have a problem.

 

As noodle996 pointed out how far do you go in trying to protect endangered species? I don't think the general population of the country would stand for large cullings of any species even when enviromental experts suggest it is necessary.

 

The spread of new species is ineitable and can not be stopped with out extreme and brutal action such as poisoning whole river systems and starting again. I don't think you would find many people wishing to go that far and I am sure that there would be plenty of protest against it. Even if that worked I am sure they would find away back.

 

I am in favour of doing as much as possible to protect natives, but don't think culling non-natives is the way to go in general and I think it would be hard to gain support with the general population of the country for such action.

 

Would it be possible to eradicate invasive species of Signal Crayfish? At least they don't look cute and most people would not mind them being killed. But imagine the outcry if people starting seeing grey squirrels being shot out of trees and trapped all over the country! I am sure some political party would put a stop to it to win favour with the masses.

 

Leave the non-natives alone and let the natives fend for themselves.

 

So how long do I have to wait to fish for Bass in British lakes and rivers?

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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I just don't see that in the long run culling non-natives works. Given a choice between seeing red squirrels and grey, I would rather have reds every time. But it only takes two to tango and as long as one Mr Grey and one Mrs Grey survive you have a problem.

 

As noodle996 pointed out how far do you go in trying to protect endangered species? I don't think the general population of the country would stand for large cullings of any species even when enviromental experts suggest it is necessary.

Unfortunately the Govt. is very good at indiscriminate culling of animals to pander to the tastes of the minority. Remember badger culling? Based on a tiny part of a huge scientific report (Krebbs) the wily Govt. released selected parts of the report that badgers carry bovine TB. Yes, they do, so does every other mammal in the UK and some birds. Badgers were 6th on the list, well below cats! Now you can imagine the furore if it was suggested that............I'll leave that to your imagination!

 

The spread of new species is ineitable and can not be stopped with out extreme and brutal action such as poisoning whole river systems and starting again. I don't think you would find many people wishing to go that far and I am sure that there would be plenty of protest against it. Even if that worked I am sure they would find away back.

Habitat management can have a huge effect on a species' viability. This is usually the reason for species decline and not because of hunting directly. Some always get away but, remove the habitat and they have nowhere to run. Another option would be to restrict reproduction (byselective breeding and possible GM) female signals to produce sterile eggs, or males to produce sterile sperm etc. It works with mosquitos in some areas.

 

I am in favour of doing as much as possible to protect natives, but don't think culling non-natives is the way to go in general and I think it would be hard to gain support with the general population of the country for such action.

 

Would it be possible to eradicate invasive species of Signal Crayfish? At least they don't look cute and most people would not mind them being killed. But imagine the outcry if people starting seeing grey squirrels being shot out of trees and trapped all over the country! I am sure some political party would put a stop to it to win favour with the masses.

The Signal approach of don't return them is the best policy. I agree it would be very difficult (without spending a lot of money on it!) to eradicate them without seriously damaging methods (to other species) let's make them popular on restaurant menus because they do taste good! As for grey squirrels, fortunately for the "people" they are blissfully unaware that foresters, farmers, rough shooters and professional pest controllers are blasting the sh1t out of greys all over the country........they taste good as well B)

Leave the non-natives alone and let the natives fend for themselves.

Which is precisely why the White-clawed crayfish is endangered!

So how long do I have to wait to fish for Bass in British lakes and rivers?

Hopefully not in my lifetime!

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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The Signal approach of don't return them is the best policy. I agree it would be very difficult (without spending a lot of money on it!) to eradicate them without seriously damaging methods (to other species) let's make them popular on restaurant menus because they do taste good! As for grey squirrels, fortunately for the "people" they are blissfully unaware that foresters, farmers, rough shooters and professional pest controllers are blasting the sh1t out of greys all over the country........they taste good as well B)

 

Ahhh No the poor little squirrels :( I won't be able to sleep tonight I will be plagued by nightmares of evil mean racist anti grey squirrel killers blasting the hell out trees and their cute little fluffy squirrel bodies dropping to the ground like a old ladies chest. It's a cruel world out there.

 

Wonder if dead squirrel is any good as a Cat Fish bait :unsure:

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Ahhh No the poor little squirrels :( I won't be able to sleep tonight I will be plagued by nightmares of evil mean racist anti grey squirrel killers blasting the hell out trees and their cute little fluffy squirrel bodies dropping to the ground like a old ladies chest. It's a cruel world out there.

 

Wonder if dead squirrel is any good as a Cat Fish bait :unsure:

Don't waste it on fishing mate! Marinade it overnight in white wine, roll in seasoned flour chuck into a hot pan with some butter sizzling away, brown it, remove from pan and put to one sida, add onions, mushrooms and some tomato (fresh or tinned) and the wine that you marinaded it in to the still sizzling pan, season and reduce. Chuck the squirrel chunks back in and pop it into the oven for an hour or thereabouts and serve with vegetables of your choice.Or you can chuck it in some nice shortcrust pastry after it's been in the oven for about 45 minutes and stick it back in the oven for 20 minutes for a lovely pie! (the same recipe works a treat for bunnies but no need to marinade overnight) :D

 

Thinking about it that recipe with a few minor alterations would probably be suitable for catfish as well :P

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Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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,Are the cats being moved as adults or do they manage to catch small ones easier to move?? .

As its illegal to put them back [is it ?] then how easy is this to enforce on the lower reaches where bank access is limited at best and as Ken said along the river is a little industry formed around guys going out to fish for them eating out paying guides who then register boats etc loss of revenue to the Spanish govmt ,Or is this figure not big enough to worry about?? .

 

The cats are being moved as young fish, and yes it is illegal to return them.

they removed 10 or 12 young fish from the olesa de montserrat this year.

in 2006 they took the first example from the reservoir of la baells in Llobregat.

They are obvoiusly in the Ebro and the Segre, and the Ter after they were introduced into the reservoirs of the Sau and the susqueda in 2003.

Last year they found the first specimens in the Foix.

 

Just today, in the news was that they have found specimins in the reservoir of Forata, which is in my area......400 ish km from the Ebro.

They are going to electro fish the area, and have warned that jail time is available for anyone caught transferring these fish.

 

Regarding econimics of Catfishing, there are lots of different companies, and im sure some will be 100% legal. and paying taxes, with their workers registered and paying social security.

There will also be a considerable number working illegally.............which is a common feature of foriegn run companies here.

So perhaps, the economic befits to the state, might not be as much as you think.

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