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Re the cod stocks, this don't look too good.

 

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Brussels — Cod is slipping closer to disappearing from key European fishing grounds, officials warned Friday, saying that only steep catch cuts will prevent the disappearance of a species prized for centuries for its flaky white flesh.

 

The European Union's executive body called for sharp cuts in the amount of cod fisherman can catch next year — up to 25 percent in some areas. The European Commission said recent studies showed cod catches in some areas are far outstripping the rate of reproduction.

 

I can't believe they are still getting away with making statements like that!!!

I suppose to be able to justify regulating anglers catches and continue to twist the knife in the UK they will have to manipulate the figures down to suit their purpose.

I fish to live and live to fish.

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I can't believe they are still getting away with making statements like that!!!

I suppose to be able to justify regulating anglers catches and continue to twist the knife in the UK they will have to manipulate the figures down to suit their purpose.

 

As yet even the nffo don't have an answer to the stocks of cod in the north sea, they acknowledge that it is in decline, yet they still wish to fish. They also can only assume that it is the climate that is the cause of the decline. They really do not have an answer to the sustainability of this, they cannot provide anything where they can say yes we can fish the stock on a sustainable basis. So who is right. What with the statement that a cod recovery plan is in place to decide if the stock is recoverable or not. I was under the impression that the new cod stock ( the last few years) as i call it was on the up, however the eu have put out figures of a record increase in landings to counter that,back to square one then, along with discard no doubt. That is confirmed by the current landing figures issued by the eu. Absolutly no mention of black fish landings, has that now been taken care of?

 

 

Nffo quote:

 

For reasons that are not certain, environmental conditions at present do not favour the reproduction of cod in the North Sea, Irish Sea, or West of Scotland. This may be connected to increasing water temperatures and the fact that cod in these waters are at the southernmost extent of their geographical range. A package of stringent measures has been imposed by EU ministers with the aim of rebuilding cod stocks by constraining fishing pressure. Around half of the fleets that target cod have been scrapped under a decommissioning scheme. Tight restrictions on time at sea, reduced quotas, strict control rules and a range of technical conservation measures apply to the remaining vessels.

 

A major review of the EU cod recovery plan is under way to decide whether cod, a cold water species, is recoverable in these new environmental conditions and if so, what the best way of achieving recovery might be. Fishermen, through the newly formed regional advisory councils, will be part of that review process.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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It's only confirmed if you beleive the figures Barry.

 

And what are your figures?

 

Any better?

 

Do you drag 'em up like this, now, with your big fast V8?

 

 

 

codfishing_603283.jpg

 

 

 

 

or just do the user friendly thing and just strangle the odd dog

 

 

gilladog.jpg?

 

 

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It's only confirmed if you beleive the figures Barry.

 

Hi Wurzel,

 

All are using the same science including the nffo, as confirmed with their quote. There is more but i cut it off after the reference to the sole stock. :) Other than that the likes of defra and the eu are lying then. That would also mean that the scottish guys are being duped as they are activly using the figures and trying to come up with a solution to the depleted stock and sustainability of the same.

 

And for kick off tell me you have something better than what the eu have come up with, that would be enchouraging:

 

Scientists estimated that in the 1970s there were more than 250,000 tons of cod in fishing grounds in the North Sea, eastern English Channel and Scandinavia's Skagerrak strait. In recent years, however, stocks have dropped to 50,000 tons.

 

"We are not that far away from a situation of complete collapse," said Jose Rodriguez, a marine biologist with the environmental group Oceana. He and other environmentalists said pressure from the fishing industry had kept quotas at levels too high to sustain a viable populations around Europe, while lack of enforcement meant illegal fishing made the problem worse.

 

The European Commission said Friday it would seek in 2010 to cut the catch in some fishing grounds around Britain, France, Spain and much of Scandinavia from 5,700 tons to 4,250 tons.

 

 

 

nffo quote:

 

Fisheries/Science partnership

 

BACKSTORY

 

In 2003, the UK Government provided initial funding for a Fisheries Science Partnership programme. Consequently, the NFFO and the Centre for Environment, Fisheries & Aquaculture Science collaborated to develop co-operative projects to answers questions raised regarding fisheries scientific and management advice.

 

The programme was extremely well-received and successful, leading to additional funding, by DEFRA, for an additional four years. The current programme runs until April 2008 and it is probable that the FSP will continue beyond then. The investigations to date have both complemented and supplemented existing scientific advice and contributed to a better understanding of fish stocks and the marine environment.

 

The results are increasingly used by the Regional Advisory Councils, the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea and similar programmes are being introduced on other EU Member States.

 

Fisheries Science Partnership (FSP)

The Partnership’s purpose is:

 

To test existing fisheries science.

Examine industry concerns.

Supplement and complement ICES fisheries science to address the latter’s limitations where identified.

bring the partnership approach in to the mainstream of fisheries science (and fisheries management).

to complement existing science, question assumptions and test assessment results / conclusions.

The Partnership’s general principles are:

 

Joint agreement between industry and fishery scientists on the questions posed and management of projects.

Ideas and proposals for Partnership projects should be generated at regional level with overall management at national level

Sound management of the programme logistics.

Agreement on which projects are to be part of a time series and which more ad hoc.

 

 

FSP Projects

Proposed at a port/regional level, refined and agreed with CEFAS and approved by DEFRA. The approval of each project is based on the following criteria:

 

Joint agreement between fisheries science and the fishing industry on project selection.

An appropriate mix of fleets, ports, gear types and regions.

Relevance of the project to fisheries management and policy issues.

Scientific relevance of the project (e.g. contribution to stock assessments, part of a time series)

Contribution to the development of a permanent commercial reference fleet.

Trials of gear performance.

Contribution to understanding and reducing discards.

Contribution to understanding of biological/environmental knowledge

The degree to which the project is viable, taking into account practicality factors.

The suitability and availability of appropriate vessels.

The availability of appropriate gear.

Benefits of Collaborative Research

is breaking down barriers that used to exist between scientists and fishermen

 

has enhanced the management of fish resources by building personal relationships between industry and DEFRA

 

has added a new level of knowledge of marine systems by integrating fishermen¹s “anecdotal” observations into a scientific and structured framework.

 

is being used to make management decisions, as is the case with Sole fisheries.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Does this help.

 

 

Next year's carve-up

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/irelan...4257458419.html

 

(I wonder how many they intend to leave for the Recreational Sea Angling sector? Oh! I forgot, they are the property of the Fishing Industry and we are welcome to the few that they might miss).

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Scientists estimated that in the 1970s there were more than 250,000 tons of cod in fishing grounds in the North Sea, eastern English Channel and Scandinavia's Skagerrak strait. In recent years, however, stocks have dropped to 50,000 tons.

 

There's the key, Barry. It's all guesswork.

 

Unless they have been able to count each individual fish and can come up with definate figures instead of estimates, all those long and boring documents mean nothing.

DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

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There's the key, Barry. It's all guesswork.

 

Unless they have been able to count each individual fish and can come up with definate figures instead of estimates, all those long and boring documents mean nothing.

 

I wish I could understand your statement Steve. What do you mean?

Bleeding heart liberal pinko, with bacon on top.

 

 

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I wish I could understand your statement Steve. What do you mean?

 

I mean, how do they know how many cod are in the sea? The answer is, they don't, they can only guess. Therefore, every document you see, which refers to how many cod there are in the sea, is just based on guess work and is, therefore, pretty meaningless.

 

For example, they could say, "there used to be 250,000 tons of cod here in 1970 - but now they have gone somewhere else". But instead, they choose to say, "there used to be 250,000 tons of cod here in 1970, but now they have all disappeared." Unless their guesswork is based on an ability to cover every square metre of the sea, all at the same time, how do they know?

 

If all the cod had disappeared, where did all these fish have been seeing in the last few years come from?

DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

Don't drink and drive.

 

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I mean, how do they know how many cod are in the sea? The answer is, they don't, they can only guess. Therefore, every document you see, which refers to how many cod there are in the sea, is just based on guess work and is, therefore, pretty meaningless.

 

Well, no.

 

The next census won't tell us exactly how many people there are in the UK but it will be a pretty good guideline. That's all that can ever be achieved with a fish population. You measure catch vs. effort, analyse the composition of the stock and make reasonable estimates. Fishery management isn't a precise science (few are) but that doesn't mean it can be dismissed out of hand as total guesswork.

Bleeding heart liberal pinko, with bacon on top.

 

 

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