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Steve, you once gave me some sound advice, to learn.

 

That is what I am doing, the more I learn the more I want to do something to help local anglers. So do yourself a favour Steve and shred that thick dossier you have on me, I am no threat to you or any RSA, there are after all bigger fish to catch. We all want a better future, infighting will not help us at all.

 

No disrespects Reg.

 

Tell that to the furry animal haters who are trying for control :rolleyes: . If they win the A T then it don't matter about an eel ban or a fish take ban from christchurch in any event.

 

Better future Reg starts with the eu. not offering up local restrictions that may take 40 years just to prove. For example, you happy with say the a t's stance on changing the cfp. that might just take 3-5 years to change the paper work alone, then how much time do you recon on any benifit, if at all.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Steve, you once gave me some sound advice, to learn.

 

That is what I am doing, the more I learn the more I want to do something to help local anglers. So do yourself a favour Steve and shred that thick dossier you have on me, I am no threat to you or any RSA, there are after all bigger fish to catch. We all want a better future, infighting will not help us at all.

 

What makes you think I have a dossier on you? Delusions of granduer already? I'm just reminding you that by your own admission, you don't possess the level of knowledge required to advise or represent other anglers.

 

You might be learning more, but a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing when it is used unwisely. So, contrary to hour last statement, you could become a threat to me and other anglers.

 

And what is it, exactly, that you want done to secure 'a better future'? Might as well come right out and say it, Reg. Save us from having to guess.

DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

Don't drink and drive.

 

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No disrespects Reg.

 

Tell that to the furry animal haters who are trying for control :rolleyes: . If they win the A T then it don't matter about an eel ban or a fish take ban from christchurch in any event.

 

Better future Reg starts with the eu. not offering up local restrictions that may take 40 years just to prove. For example, you happy with say the a t's stance on changing the cfp. that might just take 3-5 years to change the paper work alone, then how much time do you recon on any benifit, if at all.

 

Barry, All the more reason for RSA to stand up and fight, joining the AT will get you inside where your voice can be heard, where RSA can change things for the better, if it needs it.

 

How long will it take, I expect several years, and much longer if we don't unite for the better good of our sport.

 

Yes, I am happy with the AT response to the reform of the CFP, but again, don't expect things to happen overnight Barry.

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The situation with the a t is too volitile, there appears to be a power battle going on because some within don't like what's going on as it doesen't suit them. Others on the outside don't like whats going on in the inside, myself included. The sad thing i can see is people paying 20 quid expecting something to come out of it for the good of angling, however, at present we even have an ex mp, salter saying in the press his displeasure at some of the magnificent 7 who are now openly questioning if the guys in charge should be in charge.

 

From my perspective Reg, there is further info regarding the eel debarcle where guys from outside of the a t tower coming forward and saying that they were approached at the time to ask them for their opinion for a restricted take or a full ban on the angling take of the eel. Don't forget Reg, this is while the a t choose not to speak to whom they claim to represent,the rsa, or discuss it with the sea committee. I would call that back door politics of the worst kind, that certainly went against the mantra that the a t put forward in their speil that they would fight against angling restriction, in particular where it is fact that the ban was un-nessersary.

 

So what do you think the likes of myself should do, join the a t and try to get either the existing tower removed or the one who are trying to take over. Or the real rsa push for control as they think that the a t are not acting in the right interests. Sounds just like an org that is on the road to being fragmented in any event. Not a good situation to be in. It is therefore not logic that the real rsa should be part of it. You keep saying that the rsa need to stand up and fight and make things better get heard etc, etc, honestly tell me what the rsa need to make things better Reg? What needs to be done to make my angling experiance improve? I would really like to know what. The only thing i can think of is a ban on the wind blowing. What do you say Reg.

B)

 

I know rome wasn't built in a day, however how long before the new cfp comes on stream, it'll be 2013 at the earliest when the main paperwork shuffling is completed. Followed by more arguing on if all are going to accept it etc, etc. Just like the common eel situation of more than a decade shuffling even after they considered that there was a problem with the stock.

Yet still there is nothing positive on the horizon 'cept a ban on anglers. Don't the situation scream out and tell you something, if it does, why haven't the a t picked up on it and earn some brownie points, as opposed to fiddling.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Looking at the released figures of the first years trading for the trust:

 

http://www.anglingtrust.net/news.asp?secti...&itemid=553

 

click download.

 

It don't look too good. They suffered a heavy first year loss, even with the injection of cash from the org's that joined and no enumeration for the directors. So this year it's gonna be even harder for them to show progress, they won't have the cash injection this year. It appears that there was 6500 individual members, translated into 6500X20 = 130,000k approx. That disappeared into the black hole. A lot more will have to join to take the pressure off.

 

Can they do it. Don't care much, sorry, more importantly they need to work and consult with the rsa before i give a hoot. Don't see too much of that yet. Shame really, first of all i was going to wait and see how they perform, now................dunno, even less enthusiastic.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Looking at the released figures of the first years trading for the trust:

 

http://www.anglingtrust.net/news.asp?secti...&itemid=553

 

click download.

 

It don't look too good. They suffered a heavy first year loss, even with the injection of cash from the org's that joined and no enumeration for the directors. So this year it's gonna be even harder for them to show progress, they won't have the cash injection this year. It appears that there was 6500 individual members, translated into 6500X20 = 130,000k approx. That disappeared into the black hole. A lot more will have to join to take the pressure off.

 

Can they do it. Don't care much, sorry, more importantly they need to work and consult with the rsa before i give a hoot. Don't see too much of that yet. Shame really, first of all i was going to wait and see how they perform, now................dunno, even less enthusiastic.

 

Not fit for purpose, Barry. They have done more harm than good in their first miserable year of existance.

 

F*** 'em.

DRUNK DRIVERS WRECK LIVES.

 

Don't drink and drive.

 

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Let them who believe they are more than a waste of time put their hands in their pockets to support this shower.

 

You wont find me giving my money to people who do nothing for the average angler.

From a spark a fire will flare up

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Not fit for purpose, Barry. They have done more harm than good in their first miserable year of existance.

 

F*** 'em.

 

Don't sit on the fence Steve, say what you really think lol.

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To my mind having an internet forum on which only AT members can post, but which everyone else can read, is a mistake. Smacks of 'closed shop'.

 

There are topical issues in that forum that I wouldn't mind posting on. Not sure whether anyone would agree with my views (they certainly don't in this place). But at least it would be an open debate. That's not the way AN works, and that's a proven formulae that seems to work.

 

As it stand at the moment I'm not prepared to join the Angling Trust because I have personal issues with some of their national policies. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to contribute to their forum.

 

The Angling Trust tell us that they want to find out what's going on at a grass roots level, but at the same time they seem to be scared of the views of grass roots fishermen. Why is that I wonder?

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never try and teach a pig to sing .... it wastes your time and it annoys the pig

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