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Evenin' all,

 

I'm off on a Bristol Channel trip this week, first time in these murky waters. Target species are Rays, Spurdog and Conger with the possibility of Cod and the usual suspects.

 

I have made up conger traces (2' of 250lb mono, ball bearing swivels and 8/0 and 10/0 hooks) and cod pennel rigs on 70lb mono. I was going to make up some ray rigs with 70lb mono and Mustad tope and ray 6/0 hooks. Thinking about it would I be better off just using some of my tope traces for the spurdogs? A bit of overkill perhaps but it'll save making up more traces!

 

My tope rigs are Mustad 6/0 tope and ray hooks attached to 6' ish of 250lb mono and a ball bearing swivel.

 

We will be moving about targeting species.

 

Failing that any advice on a general purpose trace without using wire?

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Evenin' all,

 

I'm off on a Bristol Channel trip this week, first time in these murky waters. Target species are Rays, Spurdog and Conger with the possibility of Cod and the usual suspects.

 

I have made up conger traces (2' of 250lb mono, ball bearing swivels and 8/0 and 10/0 hooks) and cod pennel rigs on 70lb mono. I was going to make up some ray rigs with 70lb mono and Mustad tope and ray 6/0 hooks. Thinking about it would I be better off just using some of my tope traces for the spurdogs? A bit of overkill perhaps but it'll save making up more traces!

 

My tope rigs are Mustad 6/0 tope and ray hooks attached to 6' ish of 250lb mono and a ball bearing swivel.

 

We will be moving about targeting species.

 

Failing that any advice on a general purpose trace without using wire?

Haven't seen wire used on charter boats for a number of years Worms, sounds like you got it covered. Like to be with you but i will be off the french coast somewhere. Saying that the mid week forecast for me don't look too promising. When i'm congering i like to stuff two or three squid on top of the hook as well as a flapper or a couple of fillets, me being gready you see. Sounds like you are going on rough ground. :) What will you use for the thornies, herring chunks, with a bit of squid?

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Cheers Barry, I believe we'll be dodging about a bit, so some rough ground and some soft stuff. I believe that squid, mackerel and lug will be supplied. I'll take the skipper's advice to start with and experiment if things don't go according to plan!

 

Best of luck on the weather front, it's not looking too bad for the BC (at the moment :rolleyes: )

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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The skipper, he say yeeeeeeees!

 

I'm not excited, honest!

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Wire traces are a must for spurs, mono traces are useless.

 

I use 50lb wire take it through the eye of the hook about 150mm using one crimp about 6mm back from the eye, a second crimp 75mm back and a third to secure the end. Might seem over kill but the 50lb modern wire is very flexible and presents the bait well; plus the double section is up to some sharp teeth. All the skippers I fish with will net the fish or glove them out. And most will give you a safety run down on handling spurs.

 

Have a good one the spurs are kicking up a storm right now.

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Hiya,

Wire traces are a must for spurs, mono traces are useless.

 

I use 50lb wire take it through the eye of the hook about 150mm using one crimp about 6mm back from the eye, a second crimp 75mm back and a third to secure the end. Might seem over kill but the 50lb modern wire is very flexible and presents the bait well; plus the double section is up to some sharp teeth. All the skippers I fish with will net the fish or glove them out. And most will give you a safety run down on handling spurs.

 

Have a good one the spurs are kicking up a storm right now.

 

 

I tend to agree with Ken, wire IS the way to go with Spurs as a decent Spur will chomp through 100 - 150lb mono like a hot knife through Butter. Going up to 250lb mono means the hook size will also have to go up which then gives you the bigger hook = more damage on a fish that has to be released.

 

For big Spurs I would be using a short 40 - 50lb wire trace with 6/0 - 8/0 (the lighter wired ones and bait dependant) circle hooks

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Don't know about spurs, Supposed to be there commercially on the south coast, but charter boat wise, i haven't seen one in more than 25 years.

 

 

Are they eatable? Joke Davy :D

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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I also use circles and nine times out of ten you get a lip hook for easy release.

 

The spur catches have been excellent in the Bristol Channel so far this year let us hope it is some thing which will last for future years.

I fish, I catches a few, I lose a few, BUT I enjoys. Anglers Trust PM

 

eat.gif

 

http://www.petalsgardencenter.com

 

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Thanks for the advice chaps, As it happens I was on the boat when the last few posts arrived but no problem. I was using a 250lb mono trace as I was after conger in a deep hole after the morning ray fishing (a couple of thornbacks and about a dozen small-eyed were boated up to 9lb).

 

In the afternoon session, conger spurdog and anything else was the target in a 125' deep hole. First drop with a squid/mackerel flapper cocktail (thanks Barry!) saw the first and biggest spurdog of the day come on board....oh, and my first ever....a 13lb female. After that they were coming aboard on a regular basis. I managed a small conger which was the only one of the day but a much larger fish got the better of, and snapped a friend's brand new Ugly Stik braid rod! (The perils of buying off Ebay perhaps?).

 

So Barry, if you want spurdog I'd nip off to the Bristol Channel sharpish. Ken was right, loads there and our skipper has been boating dozens every trip!

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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Fair play to you Worms, glad you had a good one. Got any foto's. :) Mine was cancelled, too windy. Oh well looking forward to the next one. Got loads booked so not too bothered.

 

How did he manage to break a rod, was the conger over a hundred then and he was using a 12-20. :D

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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