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I was fishing a local estate pond this afternoon on the quivertip with maggots, i caught about 15-20 perch over a few hours but i kept deep-hooking them. About half of the perch i caught were deep-hooked and although most i managed to unhook and return most of them ok im sure one or two of the smaller ones wont make it because they really were hooked deep. I used barbless hooks, i striked quite quickly with the bites and i used a disgorger, is there anything else i can do to prevent deephooking these fish because it really makes me feel awful when it happens and although i dont, but if it kept happening on a regular basis i think it would be enough to stop me fishing altogether, or at least stop me fishing for perch. So any tips or advice would be appreciated, thankyou

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I was fishing a local estate pond this afternoon on the quivertip with maggots, i caught about 15-20 perch over a few hours but i kept deep-hooking them. About half of the perch i caught were deep-hooked and although most i managed to unhook and return most of them ok im sure one or two of the smaller ones wont make it because they really were hooked deep. I used barbless hooks, i striked quite quickly with the bites and i used a disgorger, is there anything else i can do to prevent deephooking these fish because it really makes me feel awful when it happens and although i dont, but if it kept happening on a regular basis i think it would be enough to stop me fishing altogether, or at least stop me fishing for perch. So any tips or advice would be appreciated, thankyou

 

Hello Davex2, ;)

 

A damn good question is that cos' its happened to me anall. Like you I feel awful when it does happen because some of the small ones seem to die of shock if nothing else? I'm not too good with the old disgorger so I use a pair of fine long nose pliers. I get most hooks out no problem [barbless they are!] but sometimes the fish are too deep-hooked to succeed.

 

I'm not going to pack in fishing because of it; but, yes, I do find it quite upsetting.

 

Regards,

 

H. :)

 

p.s. Whilst on the subject of disgorgers, can someone tell me in 'simple language' how to properly use one? :mellow:

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Hello Davex2, ;)

 

A damn good question is that cos' its happened to me anall. Like you I feel awful when it does happen because some of the small ones seem to die of shock if nothing else? I'm not too good with the old disgorger so I use a pair of fine long nose pliers. I get most hooks out no problem [barbless they are!] but sometimes the fish are too deep-hooked to succeed.

 

I'm not going to pack in fishing because of it; but, yes, I do find it quite upsetting.

 

Regards,

 

H. :)

 

p.s. Whilst on the subject of disgorgers, can someone tell me in 'simple language' how to properly use one? :mellow:

 

it is fairly easy to use a disgorger (but alot harder to explain so bare with me) once you know how to. there is a little grove at the end and then the part where you actually take the hook out with... at the side there is a cut at the part where you poke in2 the fishes mouth. you get the line and slide it into this cut and go down the line till you hit the hook u then push alittle further twist and then pull the hook out.

 

again sorry if made it sound complicated

 

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Deep hooking suggests you were using too long a hook link.

 

Shorten the hooklink - that will give an earlier bite indication.

 

 

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Vagabond is right. Do everything you can to give the earliest bite indication.

Short hooklink, light braid mainline and constant vigilance should give you a fighting chance. If float fishing fish dead depth with a small tell tale shot 1 inch away from the hook.

 

Its also amazing what fish can get rid of. Use a small light hook and if your first quick carefull attempt to remove it fails cut the hook length close, put the fish back and hope. Thats better than poking and prodding at the little blighters.

 

Once caught a little perch with a hook hanging out of its back end and line out of its mouth. I gave the hook a gentle pull and the line moved so just carried on slowly and removed the lot.

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Deep hooking suggests you were using too long a hook link.

 

Shorten the hooklink - that will give an earlier bite indication.

 

Greetings 'Vagabond', :)

 

Thank you all for responding to my 'perch/deep-hooking/disgorger' post. :)

You're correct in terms of the long hook link suggestion, I indeed have a tendency to fish using what could be described as a long hook link. I'll give your suggestion a try & see what happens. :)

 

Regards a ;)lot,

 

Mr H.

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Do a search for article by Steve Burke and you will find loads on here about perch fishing. I have started using circle hooks which seem to help.

 

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Do a search for article by Steve Burke and you will find loads on here about perch fishing. I have started using circle hooks which seem to help.

 

lyn

 

thanks for your help everyone, very useful :)

As famous fisherman John Gierach once said "I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it's the one thing I can think of that probably doesn't."

 

 

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I think I am right in saying that perch have their hearts much closer to the throat than most fish which I think explains why they bleed when a hook goes in deep. All you can do is make the whole set up as sensitive as possible and that way bite indications are so much faster. An alternative which seems to go against that advice is something I do when I trot a worm down the river in the slacks for perch and that is to use a carp controller instead of a float. What seems to happen is the perch tugs away at the worm biting bits off until it reaches the bit with the hook in and when it does so it self hooks against the weight of the controller.

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I think I am right in saying that perch have their hearts much closer to the throat than most fish which I think explains why they bleed when a hook goes in deep. All you can do is make the whole set up as sensitive as possible and that way bite indications are so much faster. An alternative which seems to go against that advice is something I do when I trot a worm down the river in the slacks for perch and that is to use a carp controller instead of a float. What seems to happen is the perch tugs away at the worm biting bits off until it reaches the bit with the hook in and when it does so it self hooks against the weight of the controller.

 

Funny you should mention this method as I sometimes fish worms on a controller for Carp when I want to fish up in the water at extreme distance, further then I could ever hope to get with a waggler and I have picked up some nice bonus Perch and they have all been hooked nicely in the mouth.

Stephen

 

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