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The end is nigh for livebaiting nationally!!!!


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Remember the story about the Nazis

 

With all due respect to pike fishermen, I think comparing the banning of live/deadbaits with the holocaust is obscene.

If you take fishing that seriously you need to get a better sense of perspective!

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Dave Lumb:

 

 

The blame does indeed lie with the REFERAC (or what ever it's called) members. I spoke to one purely by chance ( I knew him but didn't know he was a member) and he more or less told be I shouldn't have been interfering as the proposal made sense and wouldn't affect many people!

 

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Time to get him and those like him replaced. Is he democratically elected or just appointed by the EA or whatever?

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I sent this email to Richard Cowan the other day after receiving the defra letter:

 

Dear Mr Cowan

 

I was sorry to receive your letter about the ban on live and dead coarse fish baits. I am amazed that this piece of legislation has gone through as it is demonstrably unnecessary and draconian. There has been a perfectly adequate law prohibiting the unauthorised transportation of live fish for a long time now. If the existing legislation had been properly policed it would have had the same effect as the new law, which, by the way, will also be useless unless it's policed!

 

It's hard to see this new piece of legislation as anything other than a step towards the banning of livebaits and, apparently, therefore coarse deadbaits, nationally. Which has worrying implications for fishing as a sport generally.

 

I hope in future that your department will take the time to consult with the RELEVENT bodies within fishing for future legislation as the quango who were consulted for this law change had very little understanding of, or interest in, pike fishing.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Tim Kelly

Chairman

Lure Anglers Society

 

I think that at the moment poltics is run in such a way that they decide on whatever piece of legislation they want to put through, then get together a quango of "yes" men to "consult" on it and agree with the proposal. This is a sorry state of affairs and may well have always been the case and I am only just becomming aware of how cynical politics and polititians are, but it definitely sucks!

Tim

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phil hackett:

 

 

Mark my words, THIS LABOUR GOVERNMENT WILL BEFORE IT LEAVES OFFICE, BAN LIVEBAITING NATIONALLY.

Phil, by making the above statement you have, if I may be so bold as to suggest, alienated all the Labour supporters from your campaign.Hardly an effective call to the colours!

 

This ban was called for by DEFRA. The evidence was presented by DEFRA. It is not a party policy thing. In fairness to DEFRA, all they wanted to do was to prevent the transfer of live fish from one water to another. That seems perfectly reasonable.

 

In this instance its no good blaming the Labour Party, blame those responsible, namely those who transfer illegal carp imports, or transfer live fish from one water to another. We have brought this one on ourselves.

 

Making a party political issue out of this issue does nothing to further our cause. On a personal basis I vote, and will continue to vote for a Labour Government. It may not be perfect but it is not as riddled with the sleeze, greed, selfishness and misinformation factor as was its predecessors.

 

Anglers need to unite on this one, irrespective of political leanings. I would suggest that DEFRA would have fought for this one, irrespective of their political masters.

 

Whilst anglers, and some specialist anglers especially seem prone to this, put themselves above the law, we will continue to have problems witht the conservation lobby within DEFRA.

 

Whilst I'm actually quite pleased about it, zander have appeared on the Broads. Who is going to get the blame? Anglers, and probably they are responsible this time round. Mind you, who put them in our waterways in the first place?

 

Contrary to what Chesters might suggest, don't blame the Government. Blame anglers and blame DEFRA.

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Wag:

Remember the story about the Nazis

 

With all due respect to pike fishermen, I think comparing the banning of live/deadbaits with the holocaust is obscene.

If you take fishing that seriously you need to get a better sense of perspective!

As a pike angler I, for one, do not compare the Holocaust with the Live-Bait issue. Wag, you and I agree on that one.

 

Re this New Labour and the Country Side issue, an awful lot of people tend to forget the impact of the Thatcher Government on the countryside.

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I too got the letter from DEFRA but my good(??) lady had filed It along with a couple of other bits of rubbish mail(Log book for new car, Bank statement, Cheque for outstanding debt!!)But I too havee to say I think like Steve said that this will not happen overnight, but IT WILL!!! happen. And It is a very brave and silly person who says otherwise. I myself put it down to the now infamous "SPIN" this government is so renowned for. But what's the betting they are reelected next time anyway?? I would not give odds against It!!

 

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Dear Mike

 

Thanks for the info re: SAA not coming in before now......and they still haven't by the way.

 

I appreciate that you have just returned recently from a funeral in Ireland but know for a fact you were back before Sunday 21st July and not as suggested in your reply as 31st July.....I am sure the letter arrived on the 31st.....all this shows, is that it took two days longer for the letter to arrive down south.

 

The SAA stance on things fishy by not posting on web-sites is just crap PR.....The initial official SAA response doesn't have to be put on the web first but some form of posting by SAA committee men would be nice....given that their remit is to be the protectors of the specialist anglers activities.

 

As you well know, the National Anguilla Club did not re-new their subscriptions to SAA this year.....replies like yours endorse the fact that we were right to make the decision we made in this regard.

 

I should also like to point out that writing something for the next issue of 'New Specialist Angler' is not gonna reach the masses is it. Those present at the SAA AGM were told by the Membership Secretary, Pat Cross, that the membership was in decline and was a major concern.....in fact it was suggested that next years figures wouldn't be any better and would probably be worse.

 

I understand your motives for replying the way you have to my post....but trying to correct me with twaddle in front of an unknowing audience is not the way to go in the long run.

 

Once again someone from SAA has come defending something that didn't need defending...I only asked a question.....a simple, "we were as much in the dark as you were" would have suficed. However, that is not quite true because I have not received any letter to date and I should have done so by now. I shall be writing to the people responsible to correct that error and also point out to them that if any members of the National Anguilla Club are pulled for using deadbaits or using venue caught lives in the Lake District, then they are not the guilty parties because no-one has informed them of such a change in the law.

 

The National Anguilla Club was going to discuss the situation of re-joining the SAA at its next meeting but clearly lessons have not been learnt from the last episode in angling politics which led to the NAC deciding not to re-join SAA, whereby members of SAA, whether group or individual, were not informed or consulted over the MOU scenario regarding the CA/NAA.

 

I am, however, always one for unity and am keeping an open mind on future coming together actions.

 

Mike, do not come and post on behalf of the SAA unless you have the remit to do so.....or, if that is the case, please be a bit more PR minded.

 

I do not have any argument with the rest of your post other than the non tribute to the Zander and eel groups in your political statement about apathy out there..... The PAC were the boys/gals who got this show on the road and the rest of us joined them in the efforts afterwards and that includes SAA......however, I welcome your thoughts on the other points you make.

 

At least the thread has come alive.....no pun intended.....and others are coming in with their thoughts on the matter.

 

Anglers, I have found, are their own worse enemies.......those who responded to the consultation period were very much in the minority unfortunately.....

 

I am now more concerned about what our next step is going to be.

 

Yours With Respect.....

Steve.

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Peter Waller:

Peter Waller:

 

 

Mark my words, THIS LABOUR GOVERNMENT WILL BEFORE IT LEAVES OFFICE, BAN LIVEBAITING NATIONALLY.

Phil, by making the above statement you have, if I may be so bold as to suggest, alienated all the Labour supporters from your campaign.Hardly an effective call to the colours!

 

This ban was called for by DEFRA. The evidence was presented by DEFRA. It is not a party policy thing. In fairness to DEFRA, all they wanted to do was to prevent the transfer of live fish from one water to another. That seems perfectly reasonable.

 

In this instance its no good blaming the Labour Party, blame those responsible, namely those who transfer illegal carp imports, or transfer live fish from one water to another. We have brought this one on ourselves.

 

Making a party political issue out of this issue does nothing to further our cause. On a personal basis I vote, and will continue to vote for a Labour Government. It may not be perfect but it is not as riddled with the sleeze, greed, selfishness and misinformation factor as was its predecessors.

 

Anglers need to unite on this one, irrespective of political leanings. I would suggest that DEFRA would have fought for this one, irrespective of their political masters.

 

Whilst anglers, and some specialist anglers especially seem prone to this, put themselves above the law, we will continue to have problems witht the conservation lobby within DEFRA.

 

Whilst I'm actually quite pleased about it, zander have appeared on the Broads. Who is going to get the blame? Anglers, and probably they are responsible this time round. Mind you, who put them in our waterways in the first place?

 

Contrary to what Chesters might suggest, don't blame the Government. Blame anglers and blame DEFRA.

Sorry Pete don’t agree with your statement, the ultimate decision was taken by the Sec of State, A LABOUR Government minister. You can spin and spin and spin but the fact still remains it was that person who put pen to paper.

 

That’s the trouble with political parties and the evangelical following, don’t like criticism when they’ve got wrong.

phil h.

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The final line of your previous statement applies to us all I suppose. But, even after considering it rationally, I do believe this would have gone ahead, irrespective of the party in power. All party bosses are advised by the likes of DEFRA or whatever. I still stand by what I wrote.

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I really do think we should keep our personal party political views out of this.

 

As I have already said the NW EA tried to impose a region-wide livebait ban well before Labour got into power. This has not been driven by politicians, but has come from somewhere even more sinister - conservationists.

 

Let's focus on the real problem. What the hell do we do now?

Dave

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