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Must admit, I have the same doubts about anticoagulant pike teeth as Cory, for the same reasons - I just can't imagine what use it would be.

 

There's no doubt that pike injuries bleed profusely, but the other week I got bitten by a trout of all things and that bled like a bugger too! I think it's just the nature of the injury and the wetness of the wound.

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As no doubt you can gather, I don't really care what gets stocked in to "commercial style waters" but like others do think it's a great shame when more natural still waters are lost to such stocking policies and to be honest have been rather short sighted and not given much thought to the knock on effects that the demand for "commercial style fishing" can have leading to clubs giving up waters as pointed out in an earlier post by Budgie.

 

But whether you are a fan, hate or indifferent to commercials and there stocking polices, what do you think of re-stocking in general?

 

Lots of anglers like to wave their holier then thou conservation flags in the air and believe that their more wild or natural fishing scores more "green points" then others but I wonder how many of these anglers will fish for species that would and maybe should not be their in rivers or natural lakes?

 

If stocks in your local river are decimated by Otters, Birds, Poachers or pollution should they be re-stocked or should we let nature take its course and not interfere. Surely nature should be allowed to re-populate in a natural way and maybe that might mean that the eco-system is different to before and the type of fish species that return may be different and god-forbid they are not good sporting fish ;)

 

Would it be better to campaign for the EA to restock effected waters with minnows, sticklebacks ,bullheads, loach and put in place small species or should we welcome the stocking of small hard fighting Barbel & Chub.

 

Which is a better stocking policy. Anglers well some like to see ourselves as guardians of the waterways etc, but only as long as it's our version of it. If waters are wiped out by Otters, why should we restock with fish at all (Easy for me to say, I have not been effected) If we cared so much about the "environment" why would we put our fishing before the wider picture.

 

Anyone enjoy a bit of Zander fishing but question the species stocked in commercials? We worry about non-natives spreading but how many of us would knock a Catfish or Zander on the head if caught at the wrong venue. We excitably great stocking of new fish from the EA in to natural waters, some that may not be indigenous to that particular system. Who would not want hard fighting Barbel in their local rivers even if they were not there before ;)

 

If we want true wild fishing then maybe we should not interfere at all, but the reality is that we always tinker for better or worse but we should think before playing the conservation card on all aspects of fishing. Is it the best ecological decision or is it best for our fishing?

 

 

I think of rambled a bit :rolleyes: But should we re-stock natural waters?

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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We should restock if the damage was done by us. If we polluted it, or we degraded the habitat, fine, seed it to speed up the process of it getting itself back to where it was (having improved the habitat and stopped the pollution). Otherwise, if it is a natural river then the natural stocking level is what it is.

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It makes me laugh when people talk about fishing natural waters - reservoires, gravel pits, clay pits, quarries etc etc and talk about the wild specimine bream, tench, perch, pike etc. These very waters are man made and where stocked by people ! These so called natural waters are recent holes dug in the ground just like the purpose built carp puddles ! Give those carp puddles a few years to mature and they'll be just as nice as most other waters. The density of the fish stocks is obviously gonna be down to the owner at the time.

IMO if someone has a fishery and they want to stock it with exotic or unusual species of fish leave em to it, you don't have to fish them so why try to put their fishing down ?

I very rarely fish commercial type waters (mainly because I'm pretty anti social and prefer not to see people in numbers around me) if at all but some people like the atmosphere and the easy fishing so leave em be.

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To my mind, "natural" in this sense just means that the stocking level is self-sustaining, not artificially raised by ongoing stocking.

 

 

 

Funny that because in a lot of waters the fish will virtually die out if not constantly stocked.

Bream seem to be a prime example.

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Funny that because in a lot of waters the fish will virtually die out if not constantly stocked.

Bream seem to be a prime example.

 

That sounds to me like habitat improvement would be a better policy than restocking.

 

It's still better than the fish virtually dying out unless they're continually fed artificially.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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That sounds to me like habitat improvement would be a better policy than restocking.

 

It's still better than the fish virtually dying out unless they're continually fed artificially.

 

John.

 

 

I prefer to fish these neglected types of waters myself John but I wouldn't condem other people/anglers for preferring the easy pickings on waters with high densities of fish present.

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I prefer to fish these neglected types of waters myself John but I wouldn't condem other people/anglers for preferring the easy pickings on waters with high densities of fish present.

 

I wouldn't either, if they could be totally isolated from other waters, to prevent escapes, and if they were 'built for the purpose' and not established healthy fisheries to start with.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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