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Well, not for the first time I imagine I'm in the minority. It seems pretty clear to me that stocking barbel into small stillwaters for the sole purpose of creating easy fishing is wrong. I think overstocking of any species is also wrong, but I see that as a separate issue.

 

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I agree with both Anderoo and Dales if that is possible. :)

 

It's a sad thing if barbel are stocked in overcrowded stillwaters.

 

It's also wrong to stock other river fish though such as chub.

 

And it's also not good for any species to be stuck in overcrowded waters.

 

Nobody seems to like the idea of too much regulation though and cries of nanny state will be hurled around.

 

There appears to be a huge appetite for commercial waters.

 

My own philosophy is to avoid waters that I don't like (ie overstocked commercials) and stick to the rivers.

 

And the commercials' success leaves me the freedom to fish rivers which have very few anglers and a resultingly happy experience for those anglers that do tread their banks... :)

He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty-four days without taking a fish. (Hemingway - The old man and the sea)

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I have a problem with heavily stocked commercial ponds - those that contain a ridiculous amount of easy to catch fish. Thats why i try rivers / sea where possible. There is something about fishing that dictates to me that a place needs to be wild. I dont know why, but i prefer to trundle through a mile of heavily overgrown river bank and pulling out a fish that is there by nature, and not because someone stocked it!!

 

On the carp front, ys we do play around with scaling and providing all varieties / strains of big carp. An interesting point though is that, left to their own devices for a while, generations of spawning will eventually have carp reverting back to the full scaled variety. This is the dominant gene; common carp have a better survival rate. Those mirrors were only there because we wanted less scales to remove when we were cooking them! Dont get me wrong, i do get it. I have been a carp fisherman before, but now it needs to be a place which has some mystery behind it. A pond that was stocked long ago, and now is reputed to hold one or two biggies. This is the kind of place i would go for.

 

Mind you, sometimes it's just good to get a bend in your rod, and a heavily stocked carp fishery can be good fun! :huh:

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Just on the question of why it might be more cruel to stick barbel in an overstocked muddy puddle than carp or tench - those other species are very undemanding of water quality and naturally live and breed in shallow, turbid, warm water with poor oxygenation.

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Each to their own really. Personally I far prefer to fish Rivers and my local Broads, but when I fish with my lil bro, he likes to catch 'easy' fish, so we generally go to a commercial. I must admit I enjoy the 'light relief' pond fishing offers and also the 'new species' I get to catch, not often found on the Broads system. Its also more relaxing for the GF too it seems and will most probably be the best way to get her hooked on fishing this coming season.

 

Pond fishing and the ornamental species it offers has its place in my venue list, but its far from my first and preferred choice, although I'm yet to get a moggy so think I might have a jaunt up to Cobbleacre and have a looksee this year (not ornamental but near enough for me!)

 

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Just on the question of why it might be more cruel to stick barbel in an overstocked muddy puddle than carp or tench - those other species are very undemanding of water quality and naturally live and breed in shallow, turbid, warm water with poor oxygenation.

 

What about chub?

He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty-four days without taking a fish. (Hemingway - The old man and the sea)

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Just on the question of why it might be more cruel to stick barbel in an overstocked muddy puddle than carp or tench - those other species are very undemanding of water quality and naturally live and breed in shallow, turbid, warm water with poor oxygenation.

 

But just because they can cope in undemanding water quality, does it mean it's right to stock them in it?

 

I don't like the idea of heavy overstocked water and commercials are as far away as you can get from a natural environment for fish to live in. No matter how nice they are planted with lilies, reeds, trees and shrubs. Often if it looks nice regulars don't like to think of the water they fish as a commercial no matter what the stocking density is ;) It has some wildlife and plants, it can't be a commercial.

 

So catching a Koi or Barbel out of a cosmetically looking "natural water" can often shatter the illusion. A over stocked commercial is an over stocked commercial and so I don't see what difference it makes what you stock it with. Some commercial waters are just giant garden ponds and so to me I see no reason why they should only contain natives and these days Barbel have become a popular pond and tank species being sold for the aquarium trade.

 

Fishing commercials is an artificial experience and so why not go the whole hog and stock with what ever. Having a native or still water only stocking policy is just window dressing to make it look natural.

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Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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And what about trout? A species found in still waters everywhere.

 

My memory is not that good, but I wonder what the reaction was to the first commercial fisheries to push the stocking of trout in to still waters was. It seems almost normal now and even some clubs top up there club waters with a few to pep up sport in the cold season.

 

It does seem these days there are plenty of trout species about other then the brown.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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My memory is not that good, but I wonder what the reaction was to the first commercial fisheries to push the stocking of trout in to still waters was. It seems almost normal now and even some clubs top up there club waters with a few to pep up sport in the cold season.

 

It does seem these days there are plenty of trout species about other then the brown.

 

 

Is there anybody on this board who learnt fly fishing skills on a commercial lake stocked with trout? Who abhors the stocking of barbel in commercials. Anderoo please tell me you learnt on an old wild river? :)

 

Are trout invariably river fish in their natural state? :unsure:

 

Sorry to raise this point Anderoo as I actually back to the hilt your traditional angling philosophy.

He was an old man who fished alone in a skiff in the Gulf Stream and he had gone eighty-four days without taking a fish. (Hemingway - The old man and the sea)

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