What would you pay?

[watatoad]

Well if you pay the traveling costs and subsistence for a weekends stay in the area I expect I could chase about and maybe get a few disadvantaged or disabled youngsters.

 

As far as me paying for it sorry I am an angler not a fairground player, I cant imagine any real or serious angler other than novices wanting to pull fish out of a pond like that.

 

No sport.

 

No skill.

 

No challenge.

 

No water craft.

 

No art of angling.

 

No point.

 

Suggestion net or electro fish the pond, sell off (going by your post) at least half the Carp. Put some more entertaining fish in, then maybe you might be getting somewhere.

 

Questions?

 

Does it have fishing platforms?

 

Does it have easy access?

 

What is the scenery like?

 

Certainly with a little effort if could become an interesting venue, but possibly requires considerable thought and not a little effort.

 

Should you have posed the question because you are thinking about renting it yourself. Then I would say get a solid locked in contract over a period of say 10 years, with the rights to add and or remove various fish and or species, clear statement concerning access and times of access, any such agreement will need the services of a solicitor and you may have to check out with the local council about any planning requirements concerning change of use from agriculture or whatever the owner has it listed as. Plus you will need to know about any potential council tax charges, insurance liability, which will bring in various health and safety points and risk assessment. So it can get quite expensive and is very complicated. However if you and a few friends take it as a private syndicate that would change some details but you will still need to obtain full legal permissions and a legal agreement between yourself and your friends. Yes I know it sounds like I am pouring water on what thirty years ago would have been a simple thing but time has moved on and so have legal requirements. Should you decide to still move forwards with such an idea the average investor in that sort of venture would look for about 11% return on investments money after expenses.

 

EDIT:

But before taxes.

END EDIT:

Edited March 8, 2011 by watatoad

[SpecimenSean]

Love it!

 

@Poledark its probably just a little bit bigger than that, maybe 3/4's of an acre, but certainly not an acre.

 

 

@Watatoad I think i may have given the wrong impression. Its not a teeming goldfish bowl that you could catch without thinking about it, you still need to be able to show a little sense but far from needing the skills of a seasoned carp angler. Thats why i was originally thinking membership to a small few, but after the mention of a syndicate, i bet i could get 20 lads together without even thinking about it!

 

Its in a bit of a coppice in farmland,a few big trees on one bank, a bushy bit at one end and a field on the other side that had already been fenced off for the pond 30 years ago. Theres two sunken trees in the middle which in the summer create two solid looking islands. Its funny, we got talking about this by talking about the bushes which we only ended up talking about cos the farmer mis heard me. We started talking about coming on and cleaning up the place a bit if he didnt mind and thats how we got to where we are!

 

I got all tingly typing that.

Edited March 10, 2011 by SpecimenSean

[watatoad]

Hehehe...

 

So much simpler, but you still need to cover your rear, legally. Don't get caught either spending money nor time unless you are in a secure position.

 

Modified suggestion small syndicate £x plus x hours work gets you in the syndicate or £x amount of money plus £x in lieu of work hours. Then on both a small additional charge to give the syndicate a little running capital just in case it develops.

 

I wish you well with this potential venture, but a few quid spent with a solicitor (get a quote of costs from the solicitor first saves the solicitor giving you a big bill you did not expect) would be money well spent.

 

Farmers are very keen in my experience to get others to do work for them for free and they are well known for changing their minds, often well after any work has been done.

[tony tinca]

You reckon it's half an acre? About 65yds X 65yds? Or did I read it wrong?

 

Den

 

If its only half an acre then you wouldnt get many pegs out of it for the matches , however it may still be the best way to go to get the best out of it financially . bit small thou

[gozzer]

It's what's known as a 'catching pond', little to do with angling.

I was offered free access, and dinner thrown in, on a similar water.... I refused.

 

 

 

 

John.

[Dales]

It's a hard one to work out, it's probably easier and less hassle to run it as a small syndicate and so members can come and go with out you or some one else needing to be on site to collect ticket money and a lot less hassle then running match's. also syndicate members or club members would hopefully make better customers and tend to have more respect to the waters they fish and less likely to trash the site as some one paying a one of day ticket might. This could soon ruin your relationship with the farmer. Obviously you get louts in all walks of life, but at least with a syndicate type membership you could give potential members a once over before letting them join and weed out any undesirables.

 

The problem is the sort of person who joins a syndicate are unlikely to be interested in this sort of water. Also the general pleasure anglers are likely to want a better selection of fish then just Carp. Even the species hunter/collector who only occasionaly wonders on to commercial style waters only does it to find unusual exotics would not be interested

 

So who would it appeal to and how to market it.

 

Maybe some sort of syndicate/day ticket hybrid? The sort of membership that you need to join and get a photo card for some nominal fee or what ever you want to set and this entitles you to be on the water. This will allow you to vet who will fish the water, but the anglers pay day tickets. You could do family style memberships, this may appeal to the more serious angler who might just want to take the family with them for a spot of catching.

 

I'm not sure that it's the sort of venue many would stump up a yearly sum for.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Dales

[larsagi2010]

I have no idea what an average season ticket costs, never purchased one!..... But I do know most of the day ticket waters I fish charge on average £3-£7 per day. I generally go most Saturdays in the Summer and have the occasional winter session 2-ish a month.... So £150-£250 would probably work out about the same as what I pay now for the year..... Add the fact I am limited to only one water though would want me to get the price down.. So maybe £100-£120 would be my top end for a yearly ticket on this water roughly.

[Steve Walker]

So maybe £100-£120 would be my top end for a yearly ticket on this water roughly.

 

Just for context, I pay £55 a year for my local club, which gives me access to four mature gravel pits containing specimen carp, tench and bream, two of what Gozzer just called "catching ponds" and six sections of river...

 

I wouldn't really be interested in the kind of fishing described, but it sounds like a 25 quid one-water small club kind of pond to me.

[Dales]

yea see i what your saying, its not really a session water. There is no need!

 

But there are plenty of club anglers that fish empty holes an pay silly money. Im offering a **** easy carp pond that would be more about the fun and catching than the hunting a monster. cheers for the input thogh budgie al;ways appreciate it!

 

For many fun and catching does not always go together. Unless there is some element of challenge to the fishing it becomes a little pointless and dare I say boring. If you lost the Carp and went down the "silver fish" route it might appeal to a few more discerning anglers.

[gozzer]

If you want to reduce the carp numbers as suggested. Then ask the farmer if you can dig another hole, and put half the carp in there.

 

 

 

Don't put any water in though, just the carp.

 

 

John.