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ANGLING UNITY, IS IT POSSIBLE ?


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Guest Robbie
Originally posted by Graham E:

Hey, don't knock Robbie too much because he obviously has the interests of ordinary anglers at heart and has deeply felt views.

I would just like to make the point that on page one, I clearly said that unification would only happen with paid administrators with political nouce and management skills.

This has been picked up by many contributors, and is very true. For too long money from the sport has been going straight from anglers to manufacturers. With crumbs to anglers friends like the ACA.

Do you really feel those that make the bucks want a strong angling fraternity. Grow up!

It suits them to treat us like sheep. And so we are.

I am not a militant angler, just a pleasure fisherman, but If we can set the ball rolling, just imagine the influence we could enjoy and the opportunities to utilse the resources within, - all aspects of the community are represented. It just needs a start.

Thanks Graham

If the supposed 3 million of us just chipped in a pound angling would have the clout it needs to survive. Ray Walton seems intent in knocking everything I say so I wint waste my time trying to reach the unhearing perhaps he is at Adams Mill chasing? Once agian thanks you are right I am concerned for the ordinary anglers of this country.

Robbie

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Guest Ray Walton

Robbie...How on earth do you assume that the ACA could solve our angling’s problems. They fight pollution court cases after venues have been wiped to gain compensation for riparian owners and make good financial losses to clubs who subscribe. I thought you knew that! Also, what is your problem with what you call ‘high profile’ anglers who basically have taught you everything you know, and club trophy’s! come on robbie, whats that all about! not won any? Also please enlighten me on, lets say, ‘five’ things you know about me, Steve Burke and Pope and why you think we are on a ‘high horse’ and ‘high profile’; I think i am very loveable, and although i wish, i talk up to most people, not down, and have been doing my best bits for angling for 15 years. A lot of us are not afraid to stand up and be counted! We could all be like you and do nothing and take swipes at others without identifying ourselves for no reason, but we don’t. You could even be an anti, stiring it up for all we know! You certainly sound defeatist! By the way, Steve Pope and i are very, very, good friends!, but he does speak out of line sometimes and i don’t like it, and therefore i stand up and have a go... just like you have, but the difference is that i have a valid reason... and that steve still hasn’t answered on the 1st page.! You seem to want to pay others to sort your future fishing out for you. Why don’t you come forward and volunteer your own free time, free of charge like S.A.C.G and others are doing, then we can all lay back and watch and moan like you. You are ‘unwittingly’ a perfect example of a angler who won’t unite and a reason why others dont! rolleyes.gif

 

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Guest Ray Walton

Graham.. We were all 'ordinary' anglers at one time and knew nothing, and this is still the case. The 3 million 'ordinary' anglers robbie talks about dont buy a rod licence. Less than a million are bought! I thought he knew that! 'Ordinary' anglers just go fishing and most are not bothered at what goes on in angling politics and do nothing. They don't care less whether angling gets banned or not, and will only become aware when it's gone. S.A.C.G is the way forward!

 

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Guest BUDGIE

Hello everyone I have just got back again.875 Emails and 5 pages of this to catch up on!After reading (carefully I may add)all the views on this subject,I feel that my initial comments(to save you having to go all that way back,I unfortunately felt that angling would never become unified due to its diversity)have been totally vindicated."Mr Match Angler" seems far more worried about "Mr Specialists" four rods than any threat to the future of angling and conversly "Mr Specialist" aint too worried about the antis or political threats merely the fact that "Mr Match" uses a keep net!Nearly all of the posts I have read here from "Mr Concerned" apear not to adress "Angling" but "My Angling"I sadly do not know the answer but I do know the enevitable out come.If you can not learn to accept all of anglings many disciplines and there own peculiarities (all carried out responsibly I may add)then dont worry as you wont have much longer to worry about angling in general for.Any way eneough of this I am of to see my grandson.He is only 2 3/4 years and all ready loves the thought of going fishing with "Dan Dan" I best get my arse in gear and take him instead of talking on this machine,after all he might not have as much time to go as I have had..........

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Guest Steve Randles

How about then...

 

Rod licences..It occurs to me by figures previously stated that 2 out of 3 anglers do not posess a Rod licence (shame on you).

 

If we where to adopt American rules, we would have to wear our licences on the outside of our clothing....

 

With a compulsory payment on top of this licence fee,(£1.?.) and concessions for those groups of people that needed it (unemployed,oaps and children)would it not then be feasible that we could fund an organised body of "professional people" to fight our cause at government level for the right of being able to cast a line, to fish in a clean environment, where all anglers conform to specific rules that indeed he/she has a reasonable ammount of "weight in".

 

It occurs to me that we all require almost the same thing, that being , the preservation and improvement of our waterways and all that goes with it.

 

For that extra "£1" we could...most of us, sit back and relax, knowing that a group of professional people are being paid to do a top class job..."professionally"...they need not be anglers..just highly trained people able to deal with politicians and businessmen across the board at a professional level.

 

YES indeed angling unity is and always has been possible, and for the sake of every angler buying a rod licence, with £1..?.. on top, is really ours for the taking.

 

We need to change the law, no doubt to make these changes, but I feel if all the passion that has surfaced in this thread was brought to bear, then it is just around the corner....with only the majority of anglers

having to give £1....

 

How petty the squabbles now...surely insignificant

 

We pay too little for our rod licences anyway, another pound to have a protected and improved sport is clearly the way forward. And the added extra of all anglers being able to see who is or is not licenced to fish legally will only increase the EAs effectiveness to do its job.And the pound on top will give the "professionals" the funding to fulfill their obligations as paid employees!

 

Think about this deeply before responding with derogoritory remarks!

 

Tight Lines For The Future

 

Steve Randles

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Well, that's it then, the end of angling inevitable. Anyone want to buy some tackle ?, I simply cannot believe what I am reading, call me nieve to the hilt, call me whatever, but I absolutely can't agree with these negative thought processes. Think positive, be positive !, think negative, and that's what you get. I maybe wrong, but it's beginning to sound like a lot of people are resigning themselves to the fact that the end of angling is nigh. NEVER, lets fight it, and fight it together as ANGLERS.

 

Steve, I think the license idea is superb, if it means saving my angling, I don't mind paying for 10 anglers who don't buy rod licenses. It's not fair, I agree, but the banning of angling, that's even more unfair.

 

SACG, BS, and whatever god knows else acronym, there's only one :

 

A.N.G.L.E.R.S - Stands for people who want to fish.

 

The bottom line is, the bare absolute minimum for all anglers should be the welfare and protection of the countryside and fish. If anyone like me is doing this, it's nothing special, but the bare minimum that is expected of us.

 

C'mon keep the chins up, you're depressing me for one. I won't except the end, ever, ever, ever and it's not going to happen !

 

Incidentally, I would be interested in knowing if there are any other countries around the world where angling has been banned, or there are proposals to do so, or even suffering the same threats as us ?, if anyone could give some clues to this, I would love to go into it a bit further to see the outcomes ?

 

[This message has been edited by Jase (edited 13 August 2000).]

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Guest Ray Walton

Nice one Jase...Does sticking a hook in the fish really show you care and help benefit the fishes welfare?.. explain!.. because that is what you will be asked! Most anglers dont know how to tie a knot let alone look after fish or the countryside, and don't really want to. What about the P.A.A setting up a 'compulsary' course (like driving lessons) where everybody who wants to go fishing 'has' to be taught properly in the first place in how to fish! (and about what you suggest, jase), and then take a proficiency test at the end of it! Then you get your licence only if you pass and when you've paid your yearly fee including the ...£1 to finance a professional body. I look forward to the flack, eek.gif or open a new thread... Elton

 

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Guest Pete B

Ray,

Are you joking that the PAA want to introduce a compulsory tests? policed by whom I ask or is that a silly question?

In this thread there are several 'single species anglers' posting replies and suggestions and we still can't get agreement... everyone appears to be 'having a go' at everyone else.. for christ's sake why is the BS not in the SACG? still silent over there... Best we don't think of uniting the Sea/Game fishermen under the same umbrella! World War III or What? This is idiotcy at its highest level!

Have a look back and think! everyone wants it (at least on this thread) no-one will compromise.. We are all anglers whatever our target fish!!!

Happy fishing whatever your goals..

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Ray, no flack from me. I have to admit you're right, sticking a hook in a fishes mouth is not in the best interests of fish. In fact, the hook in the mouth is not the biggest threat to the fish, it is the stress that it causes them, which has been proven to weaken the fishes natural defences and leads to all sorts of diseases. The small hole in the outer lip, is a minor healable effect ( deep hooked fish is another matter ). I understand the dilema you are putting forward, and understand the angle you are putting forward. But the answer to the question you pose, without angling, would a lot of species of fish be as well understood, would a lot of waters be as well maintained. Yes there are bad anglers, but I like to think of them as the minority. On angling coaches, I don't really have a view, maybe a better policing by balifs and strict punishment for offenders would help this area a little. I have answered your question to the best of my understanding, I hope. However has anyone got the answer to weather fishing has been banned in any other country around the world ? It is really something that is so important to this argument, over whether or not fishing will be banned. If there is a precedent we can site, or learn from, that would help this no end. We are not the only country in the world who has anglers and activists, and the debate surely must raging in other countries too ? It's an honest question in which I really could do with an answer.

 

Sorry Ray, back to you're question, I am a nature and animal lover, I won't kill a spider, but I do love fishing. For this I have to apologise, read my views on fox hunting above to see my dilema. I am not proffessing anything other than the truth, it is a real dilema. The other thing is, is that I have only ever killed one fish in my entire life, a trout caught 12 years ago. I took it home, had it gutted, and ate it. This led me to giving up angling for 4 years, as I could not get this out of my mind. If I thought that what I did was killing fish, I would stop instantly. Believe me Ray, I've been there done that, and suffered.

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There are restrictions on angling in Germany.

 

To qualify for an angling licence the angler must attend lectures and pass an exam. Having qualified and got his licence he must then remove from the water every fish he catches and dispose of it.

 

No there is not a complete ban in Germany but the Green Party politicians have made it as difficult as possible for anglers to claim the conservation or ecological defence, by insisting on the removal of all the fish anglers catch.

 

This is stage one to getting a complete ban by getting more of the public to see how "cruel" fishing is. The Greens got this when they were part of a coalition government in West Germany before re-unification.

 

Any angler who thinks fishing cannot be banned in Britain is living in cuckoo land. The Government, any government, will follow the wishes of the majority and I am sorry to say 1 million or 3 million anglers won't make a jot of difference if the other 56 million in these islands decide they no longer want angling. Research (Daily Telegraph 1998/9) shows that about 20 million would support a ban now.

 

It has taken the antis 50 -60 years to get as far as they have with banning hunting with dogs. It will probably take them longer to get the media support they need for a ban on angling, but if we do not defend our sport now, wholeheartedly and together, then they will win. It will be too late to wait until it is on the political agenda, by then we will have lost the argument and no amount of money or energy in fighting a ban will succeed.

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