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Guest Alan Pearce

Dictatorships within groups I don't beleive in but at times I think they may have a role to play in getting things done. Strong leadership I think are the right words, but these can often be confused as being dictatorial. Any group is only as good as the membership, committee members are appointed by the general membership to serve their best interests, if they aren't happy simply replace them. The big problem is apathy, members of groups often like to winge and whine but not get involved, their problem. Trouble is it often spills out into the public arena, egos get dented, ivory towers cracked and a bloody mess ensues.

At the end of the day any group is only as good as its members and if they feel they have become part of a crap group then they should take an inside veiw of there own actions, or lack of them which is often the case.

 

My veiw is if you don't get involved then don't crow on about what others have done.

 

Anyway dinner beckons and I have just had a pint of Old Jock put in front of me, priority and all that, speak latter.

 

Alan.

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Guest Leon Roskilly
Originally posted by Pete Waller:

I suppose my real gripe is that a small number of well meaning anglers appeared to set themselves up as speaking for other 'specialist' anglers. In effect forcing themselves into a position of political power.

 

Not only in angling, but in many other human activities, I'm always surprised at just how much 'political power' is up for grabs by anyone prepared to make the effort to get involved.

 

In a huge urban conurbations, I'm one of just a couple of dozen people prepared to get involved in the local transport forum.

 

When I talk to others who disagree with me, I must admit, I feel uneasy at the amount of influence I (and my opinions and ideas)have. But then, the same doors are open to them to have their say.

 

If they can't be bothered to get involved, then what they think has no effect.

 

No doubt though, they will have a moan at the decisions us few 'self-appointed' activists have influenced.

 

That's the way everything works. Don't blame me!

 

Tight Lines - leon

(who gave up a day's fishing and drove from deepest, darkest Kent on Sunday, to attend the SACG committee meeting in Leicester smile.gif )

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Guest Graham E

This is a really good thread that will only help those involved to recognise the diverse needs/expectations of anglers.

"Size matters" as the french lady says.

Size matters for political clout, that is unfortunately more important than many of us would like, but that's a fact if angling is to move up a level and be recognised for it's membership and influence.

That in itself leads to the conflict of Steve initial question.

Let's not kid ourself. we become part of an organisation because we want to be recognised and our views to be promoted, but in life that doesn't always happen. you sometimes have to take the rough with the smooth on some "ideals" you may hold.

As long as you feel overall that you are represented and that the "Club" does good for the sport, we generally should be satisfied. I am not a Joiner person, yet the BS has givem me regional meeting wher I can meet the " Names " in Barbelling. And you know what, they are the same as you and me and share our views( they are sometimes a little excentric--Fr..) Don't moan about your representation. Get in there and change it if you are not happy, by working at it.

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Guest Pete Waller

I raised the point of the four rod rule that the SACG promoted. It is fine in a controlled and suitable situation, e.g. a private carp lake. On open rivers and broads and for other species, where there is no contol, it is quite simply killing fish.It is allowing, for example, two anglers in a boat,with eight rods, to hog up to 200 yards of bank space. But the worse situation that we see on the Broads is where one angler sits in a boat with a circle of baits out to North, South, East and West of him. There is no possible way that that one person can watch four rods at one time. From a boat there is no way electronics can be used for bite detection.If the fishing is slow, as winter piking tends to be, then the two rods behind the angler get very limited attention. Then we have the two bank fishermen after pike or bream, sat in the middle of a row of eight rods, all twenty or so yards apart. Potentially the furthest rod is 50 to 80 yards from the pair of anglers. And then we have the trolling pair of anglers, eight rods being trolled from a twelve foot boat. A pike takes and kites over the other seven rods, and yes, it does happen. It might be okay for the carp fraternity but it is not in the interest of pike, bream, barbel or whatever. I accept that the pike at all costs will critiscise me, as a fellow pike angler, for condemning this non conservation rule. I'm sorry, I do not consider casting out four fixed or night-lines, attached to rods and relying on electronics as angling. I feel strongly that this four rod rule is against the interests both of angling and the fish. It is not, I don't think, within the spirit of angling. It is an example, I think, of the 'carp' agenda being forced upon the rest of us. Perhaps responsibly used it is acceptable, but in the hands of the dreaded 'crap yob' and piking oike it is a lethal weapon. I accept that I don't have to use four rods. But regretfully, I see an excess of brain deads using it in situations that are totally unsuited to it. I'm afraid I blame the SACG for this one. Had it been limited, as with the loss of the close season, to private fisheries, then perhaps it would have been more acceptable.

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Will you all please enlighten me.The one constant thread that runs through these posts is the need for unity.Why then do we have NASA,SACG,SAA and NAA ? What is the fundemental difference (if any) and why are some people on the commitees of several of these organisations? A free weeks Catting on the Saonne to the first person who can give me a convincing reply!

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Guest waterman1013

Pete

 

You are undoubtedly correct in your observations of the practice of the four rod rules. However in each instance the anglers are breaking another EA bylaw, in that they are not in sufficient control of their tackle. More funding for EA with consequently more bailiffs and more policing would find these bylaws properly enforced. By the way SACG did not draft the bylaw, that was done by the EA. SACG pushed for a national rod limit as opposed to the regional variations which existed previously.

 

Budgie

 

Until the weekend we had NFA, NFSA,S&TA, NASA, NAFAC, SACG, ATA, SACN, ACA, CA, etc all trying to deal with Government and each representing their own members or groups. In a very short space of time that has become; NAA - the new national negotiating body representing NFA, NFSA, S&TA, SACG, NAFAC and ATA, SAA will be formed from SACG and NASA, so already the list is reducing.

 

NASA started life as the NASG (National Association of Specimen Groups), as you probably remember. As specimen angling changed more individulas wanted representation snf wanted to join NASG, as a consequence NASG became NASA (National Association of Specialist Anglers). There was then a debate inside NASA about angling politics; there were those who did not consider angling to be political and those that did. NASA decided that politics was not for them and SACG was born - now, at last, both groups are together again and will be the stronger for it.

 

Some people are on the committees of various of these groups because there is a hierarchy in the organisations, so to represent the views of the single specie groups, SACG has a reporting function back to NASA, and into both NFA and NAA. We also negotiate with ATA, NAFAC, ACA, ATA etc to try to get a common voice on matters of concern to us, so the same names will keep cropping up on various committees. I am just thankful that we have anglers in our midst who have both the time and the inclination to do so much for the future of the sport.

 

Does that answer your question?

 

Mike

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Guest Alan Pearce

Budgie, in an attempt to claim the pussy hunting in France prize I would just like to add to what Waterman has already posted. If years ago the National Federation of Anglers had done their job properly in representing ALL aspects of coarse fishing rather than just supporting and promoting match fishing then much of what has gone on would not have been neccesary. Like wise with NASA, if this group had not lost its way looking after the interests of specialist anglers then the SACG would not have been formed to fight for the rights of the specialist angler. In a nutshell it all comes down to those empowered and trusted to do a job, not doing it. Hopefully we have gone full circle and with so many groups and individuals now politically aware, watching and guiding each other, angling as a sport can move forward, expand once again and protect itself from the many enemies in the future. But we must not be complacent and just sit back, for without proper input from anglers stating quite clearly what they want then within the next decade the worm could turn once more. Fishing is one of just a few sports where you need a licence to take part, this gives you rights, so use them. Don't be like the gun lobby, sitting back and letting others walk all over them. Now about them cats...

 

Alan.

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