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I don't think bream have ever caused so much fuss before!

 

I also use bobbins on a long drop when legering for big perch. Is that unnecessary too?

 

BTW I know Den is a very good all-rounder but it seems that his views are not based on fishing specifically for big bream - so although they are interesting, I'm not sure how relevant they are. This isn't a dig, and I hope Den takes it the way it was intended :) If I was fishing for whatever came along, I wouldn't bother with long drops either.

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I don't think bream have ever caused so much fuss before!

 

I also use bobbins on a long drop when legering for big perch. Is that unnecessary too?

 

BTW I know Den is a very good all-rounder but it seems that his views are not based on fishing specifically for big bream - so although they are interesting, I'm not sure how relevant they are. This isn't a dig, and I hope Den takes it the way it was intended :) If I was fishing for whatever came along, I wouldn't bother with long drops either.

But Barry isn't fishing Wingham is he? He's fishing a water with an odd fish up to 16lb. In my experience that doesn't necessarily mean there won't be lots of other smaller bream in there that might make up most of his fishing. Is he fishing what you would call a LSD water?

 

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But Barry isn't fishing Wingham is he? He's fishing a water with an odd fish up to 16lb. In my experience that doesn't necessarily mean there won't be lots of other smaller bream in there that might make up most of his fishing. Is he fishing what you would call a LSD water?

 

Yes, that's true. I'm not sure what the stock is like. Even so I think a long drop will help him know when to strike, I just can't see any disadvantages of using one personally. Hopefully he'll have a go and let us know what happens. BTW I asked before and didn't get an answer, what material do you use for your hooklengths?

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Ime fairly new to this alarms and bobbins lark so can you tell me whats wrong with monkey climbers.

It seems to me they would eliminate the wind problem.

Is there something inherantly wrong with them or are they just out of fashion?

 

Hi Barry

 

In all the hot debate about the long and short of bobbins and hangers I think your question got over looked :rolleyes:

 

I don't want to get dragged in to any discussion on the ideal length of needle to use :D , but I think monkey climbers are ok and as you point out they eliminate the wind problem and I did use them last year on a very easy Bream water and they worked fine. I think the worse thing about them was trying to get them in the ground. I think some anglers used to worry about grit getting stuck on them and stopping the bobbin from running smoothly or if they got wet leaves and other bits sticking to them but I never had a problem with them.

 

Monkey climbers just seemed to have fallen out of fashion and the replacements are more convienent and easy to use but they could still do a job if you wanted to use them. In my book they would score plenty of Retro-Chic points ;) and no doubt help put a few fish on the bank.

 

I also like the fact that you can put a monkey climber between any rod rings that you want. But in my view swingers, hangers, bobbins do offer better indication.

 

Bring back the Monkey Climber :lol:

Stephen

 

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Ime fairly new to this alarms and bobbins lark so can you tell me whats wrong with monkey climbers.

It seems to me they would eliminate the wind problem.

Is there something inherantly wrong with them or are they just out of fashion?

 

 

Sorry Barry been meaning to reply then get caught up with the long v short,bolt v free running debate!

 

The original Monkey Climbers designed by Ricky Gibinson were great! The only trouble was that when the massed produced ones came out they were crap!

 

Basically the true monkeys were made from a large bore plastic cylinder (Home brew wine bottle caps,conduit.film canisters etc) and sat on a needle/aerial of brass welding rod. As long as you got them lined up properly and the line wasn't to tight they worked brilliant. You could use them on up right or slanting forward needles.Totally wind proof.

 

However when the commercial ones were made all but none had narrow bores drilled through solid bodies.These were a tight fit on the needles supplied. As such when the bobbin was high on the needle the resistance often made them lock up.Setting them up accurately and keeping them ultra clean was essential (re the dirt problems Dales mentioned).The whole thing had been made worse! A lot of carp bite indication trends started due to the poor operation of these monkeys. such as having the bobbin at the top and directly in front of the spool or directly behind the buzzer.Far from the originals intended position of midway. Tight line tactics also brought this about to an extent as with such the line being so tight across the needle also aggravated the locking up problem. All caused by "over engineering" a simple idea.

 

Some say that the problem with Ricky's was that you couldn't add weight but this was rubbish as it wasn't rocket science to attach a short length of Dacron to the bottom and add shot as needed!

 

No the originals are/were fine but the production ones rubbish! But that said I think modern indicators are better.Just by the fact that they are simpler to set up and you dont have to worry about not bending,keeping clean needles! let alone bars to put them on and having to use a pod etc!

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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