Are These Roach?

[larsagi2010]

During a Carp session I decided to switch one of my rods from Strawberry Sweetcorn to a Large Cube of Luncheon Meat and almost instantly I landed 2 fish which I think may be Roach. One weighed in at 1lb 8oz the other one 2.1oz

 

Both certainly look like Roach at first glance, however I was looking at the mouths which seem much bigger than that of a roach. Also rather than a glitzy silver look they seem to have that slight sandy colour mixed in with the silver.

 

Any idea's?

 

[gozzer]

The deep body, mouth, and forked tail, say Ide to me mate.

 

John.

[AddictedToScopex]

The deep body, mouth, and forked tail, say Ide to me mate.

 

John.

Just what I was thinking.

[SpecimenSean]

agreed.

 

http://www.hamiltonsweb.co.uk/The%20IDE%20or%20ORFE.htm

[Mark Wintle]

Hard to do an exact scale count due to the light burn out but reading well over 50 which makes them much likely to be ide than roach which usually have around 42 or 43 on the lateral line.

[Andrew Burgess]

yes definitely an ide

[larsagi2010]

Fantastic, thanks everyone! I have looked at some pictures of Ide and they defo fit them perfectly. The only reason I was unsure is someone on the bank said they were defo roach due to the fin colours, but I have also just noticed the eyes are not teddy bear orange like on a Roach also.

 

I have a couple more.....

 

Here we have what I believe to be a common Carp I caught of about 5lb.....

 

But below it is a fish which looks similar in build/shape only it is really pale?? Are these mongrels of some sort? Or do carp darken when they get a little bigger as all the pale-ish ones I catch are only about 1-2lb max?

 

 

Here is the pale-ish ones..... They seem to have orange on their fins??

 

 

[AddictedToScopex]

The top one seems to have no barbules leading me to believe it may be an F1. The pic below is a little blurry to tell.

Edited May 5, 2011 by AddictedToScopex

[tony tinca]

The top one seems to have whats left of a barble but in my opinion is an f1 and the other 2 are definitly f1s , all 3 of them have the head and mouths of f1s