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Good Man. Your learning, if you're going to blank, do it naturally. :D

 

John.

 

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Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Theres a fishery near me that holds Sturgeon - If I was inclined to visit how do I find out if he has a licence and that I would be fishing for "legal" sturgeon ??

 

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Theres a fishery near me that holds Sturgeon - If I was inclined to visit how do I find out if he has a licence and that I would be fishing for "legal" sturgeon ??

 

Mat

 

It might be hard to find out, but I would have thought that if they keep quiet about it they may not have a licence and if they advertise it they most likely do. but saying that Witchlakes was well known for it's Sturgeon with pictures on it's website. It's often hard to find out which waters contain Sturgeon as not many fisheries make the information available on them, making me think that all the paperwork may not be as it should.

 

Mat, that's very noble of you to only want to fish for "legal" Sturgeon :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Mat, that's very noble of you to only want to fish for "legal" Sturgeon :D

 

The same fishery also hold proper Silver Bream (as opposed to small common bream) So I'll be fishing there at least once this summer for Silver bream points points in a Species race :)

 

Be a shame if I accidentally hooked a sturgeon - especially on gear intended for silverbream :o

 

 

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Be a shame if I accidentally hooked a sturgeon - especially on gear intended for silverbream :o

 

But fun :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Theres a fishery near me that holds Sturgeon - If I was inclined to visit how do I find out if he has a licence and that I would be fishing for "legal" sturgeon ??

 

Mat

 

Great minds think alike Mat. :)

 

I've just got off the phone to a very nice lady at the EA. She was not aware of any register, (that is open to the public) where you can check this info'. She suggested contacting CEFAS (who deal with the Import of Live Fish Act), on 01305 206700. But even then she said it might be covered by confidential information ruling.

This all seems very lax to me, I would have thought that there would be a register, or at the very least the licence should be displayed either at the fishery, or on their website.

 

John.

 

PS, She did say she was very surprised that I asked the question. It would seem that the general impression of anglers is that they don't care, so long as they can catch them. I guess I wasn't that far out with my opinions.

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Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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Great minds think alike Mat. :)

 

I've just got off the phone to a very nice lady at the EA. She was not aware of any register, (that is open to the public) where you can check this info'. She suggested contacting CEFAS (who deal with the Imported Licence Fisheries Act), on 01305 206700. But even then she said it might be covered by confidential information ruling.

This all seems very lax to me, I would have thought that there would be a register, or at the very least the licence should be displayed either at the fishery, or on their website.

 

John.

 

 

Actually the place is about 1/2 mile from the river Roch, which empties in the thames estuary, so I'd have thought a licence being issued to the fishery as unlikely to say the least!

 

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Actually the place is about 1/2 mile from the river Roch, which empties in the thames estuary, so I'd have thought a licence being issued to the fishery as unlikely to say the least!

 

Mat

 

You'd think so Mat, but if that's the case then there must be a lot of unlicenced fisheries around the UK, in similar locations.

All the more reason for a register, so that you can make an informed decision on whether to fish there or not.

All fisheries have to be registered as of 2009, so it should be relatively easy to check up on them.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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I think one of the reasons why you don't get much backing Stephen, is that these waters exist for only one purpose, to satisfy the wishes of some anglers. They don't benefit the environment any more than a more natural fishery would, and in many cases have a negative effect.

Another reason I've already touched on, and that's the "It's a fish innit"? crowd, that like to pretend that they care about the ecology of a place, but it's only if it doesn't effect their 'catching experience'.

 

Sad, but true.

 

John.

 

 

 

At the end of the day if exotics are stocked into a purpose built pool in the right place to prevent them leaking into our wilder waters then what 's the problem. Personally I don't fish for them but one thing I can't stand is people dictating to others and putting the dampers on their pleasure.

In all honesty john I find your obsessional hatred of carp is quite annoying as carp are a fish that's been present in our waters for many long years and are a great addition to fishing. Lets face it they're not exactly breeding sucsessfully and so arn't a threat to other species. The only point I do agree with you on regarding carp is my dissaproval of the way people stuff them into natural waters and wreck them just to make a quick buck. I don't think the introduction of a small number of carp to a natural water is a problem but I think purpose built pools should be made for high stocking levels of them.

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Fish,fishery and angling "laws" have allways been openly broken by fishery managers and anglers alike ............................and the Water Authority,NRA,EA all in turn have seemingly allowed this to happen.Are they that stupid that they cant see this happening? are they that short of resources that they cant deal with it when they discover it? or is it something else.....................................

 

With my dealings with all three "incarnations" I have allways hoped that none of the above are indeed the reason for their apparent impotence. I desperately cling to the hope that they do know about these things and can (as we sometimes see) act effectively........................just that they simply choose not to in most situations as in these cases the breaking of these laws doesn't really matter! In fact the reason they are in place is to empower the authorities to be able to take action when it does matter.

 

For example- Section 30 Stocking Consent, The guy with a few live baits is very unlikely to cause a major (if any) negative impact on a water be it through spread of disease or species.Mum sticking little Johny's Sterlet that's out grown the garden pond/tank into a water rather than kill it isn't going to do a great deal..........................but a fish farmer/dealer moving tons and tons of fish yearly (that are often raised and kept in very poor,high disease risk conditions) can very easily cause a problem! If one is found breaking the Sect 30 regs as he is trying to side step the health check or whatever with a dodgy load then the rules and regs are in place to hammer him with......and we see this.

 

I hope that this case of Witchlake Fishery (long known to hold non indigenous species and of sizes which would certainly make me query their origin!) it simply is that they've just gone to far and taken the pi$$/got to the level where their activities will/may cause harm and so paid the price.

 

Please note that I'm not giving any opinion on whether the breaking of any rules is right or wrong regardless of the scale.

 

Same as with the stocking rules etc I would also like to hope that issues such as closed season fishing,taking of fish for the pot,excessive rods etc etc in fact all of the many things (including lack of checking of rod licences) that the authorities appear to fail us by not being on top of are simply due to the same reasons.

 

Surely it has to be the answer because they simply cant possibly be that incompetent............................can they?

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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