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This is another of those "How would you fish this place" but a bit more gentle place than the lily pad mass if you saw that one. I'll be including quite a few photos so will need to break the opening post into two parts to keep from running over the site limit for photos in a single post.

 

This is mostly a for-fun topic although I certainly will welcome ideas but I also thought it might be fun to think about how to fish what would be a fairly exotic swim for most UK anglers.

 

The swim is a smallish one on the Choctawhatchee river near where we are staying. Sandy bottom, fed by quite a few underground springs and a couple of rivers upstream that run into this one. It is about 50 miles from here to the Gulf of Mexico but about 85 river miles since it twists around quite a bit. This time of year the water is very low, exposing sandbars and leaving only a narrow channel in places. The bottom is sand, the water is very clear, and the current is running at about 4 miles per hour.

 

and I know this area holds carp, channel catfish, long nose gar (like a UK garfish but larger and fresh water), bluegills, largemouth bass, and possibly some mullet since they often move upriver when the water is low and clear as it is now.

 

My question is how & where to best target the river commons that are here. All ideas are welcome.

 

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" My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference!" - Harry Truman, 33rd US President

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I would spin/lure fish it (but then I apply this method to over 90% of my angling anywhere). The water clarity lends itself to the method, and once could negotiate those 'tough' banks with mobile gear, a good vest carrying al the tackle and either shorts and suitale shoes or chest waders (I would carry a wading staff too, could be dodgy deep bits. Polaroids essential to get the best from it.

 

Of the species, I know that the Bass and the Gars would take artificials, and apparently channel cats like bladed (Mepp) type spinners.

 

At night perhaps live and /or deadbaits or worms for the Cats and larger Bass? still lightwaight so far as tackle to carry goes.

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Its warm enough to be comfortable. Jan & I go to that area to swim most days - but avoiding the areas with bad current. It is literally a killer if you get caught in some of the underwater tangles. However, unless you are fond of snakes, walking the woods to get to the bank can be a bit too exciting unless you are wearing snakeproof boots to the knee or short boots and snakeproof gaiters above those.

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Hi Newt,

 

You do find some interesting spots to fish. :D

 

You may also find some Sunfish and Spotted Bass as well as the occasional Sturgeon at the right time of season. I do not know enough about lure fishing to offer any advice, but I would target the area where the creek enters the Rivers there may be some predators lying in wait for easy pickings. :thumbs:

Fishing seems to be my favorite form of loafing.

 

"Even a bad day of fishing is better than a good day of work."

 

I know the joy of fishes in the river through my own joy, as I go walking along the same river.

 

What do you think if the float does not dip, try again I think.

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If I could concentrate on the Commons and not get obsessed with all the predators which I would :D then I would try to find one of the deep gullies and put down a large bed of maize and halibut pellet, fish meal pellet, chicken feed, old bread, ground bait if I had any or what ever pellet or particles were available and mix the lot with some fish oils, tins of mashed sardine, tuna any kind of fishy stink that I could get.

 

Then I would fish 2 rods over the bed of bait, one on a feeder large cage or method ball with maize for the Carp and from time to time might change over to a ball of bread paste. I would not be able to resist putting out a dead bait or chunk of fish for the preds on the other rod but would not be to surprised if this produced a Carp on a chunk of fish.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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All well and good Dales but we are talking of a different fishing culture with Newt...pellets are fired from a pistol, and a larged caged feeder is something he might find in a zoo :rolleyes:

 

Stick to the poppers Newt :D

 

I know that but the question was how would you fish it? and that's the way I answered it. I certainly don't think I could teach Newt anything about tackling this sort of water.

 

Plus from Newt's opening post, it looked like he was after the Commons, Poppers are you sure :D

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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personally i would either fish to an undercut bank or an underwater feature. all the stuff i learnt about course fishing seems to work across the board and fish holding spots invariably hold fish regardless. i don't think game fish are aware of their status and so don't seem to mind hanging out in the same spots as course fish.....erm maybe though they just like slumming it every now and then

Give a man a fish and he will live for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will live forever

 

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Well, I'd tackle this in a number of ways, lures and live/deadbaits for the predators and worm, bread, maggots etc. as a ledgered/feeder bait. Then, I'd pull out my trusty trotting rod and 'pin and trot an avon down with a variety of baits whilst loose feeding. I'd also try rolling luncheon meat/cheese and freelining floating crust especially to the far margins if possible. As evening came on I'd whip out the fly rod and try everything I have in my boxes!

 

 

Apart from that I've no idea :D

Eating wild caught fish is good for my health, reduces food miles and keeps me fit trying to catch them........it's my choice to do it, not yours to stop me!

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i could see myself trotting that strech of river or casting a small bomb with worm or prawn to likly spots. two baits that should catch just about anything.

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